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#1 aastra

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 01:33 PM

What's the deal with Hillside Mall on Google Maps? Is that a joke?



#2 Mike K.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 02:58 PM

That's the ring road around Hillside with access roads. They're actually missing a major entrance off of N Dairy, though.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 02:58 PM

I don't know, that is how the parking lot main "road" goes and is correct with access points on Hillside and Shelbourne, but may be missing one on North Dairy.

Viviparous way? Now that a new one to me.
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#4 mikedw

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 03:31 PM

I don't know, that is how the parking lot main "road" goes and is correct with access points on Hillside and Shelbourne, but may be missing one on North Dairy.

Viviparous way? Now that a new one to me.


Google Maps is kind of freaky. We used it to plan a trip to Vancouver Aquarium. It showed us a route using a street in the park that didn't appear on other maps. There it was nonetheless.

When we used Google Maps to get from the ferry to the Peace Arch crossing is showed a route that shaved a HUGE amount off of our trip.

I'll be that if you look at some obscure planning document for Hillside Mall, that route is listed as "Viviparous Way"

When I read the topic title I thought there'd be driving instructions for going through the mall :-D

As an aside, years back I saw a "BC Travel Site" that talked about the short drive to all of the sites in and around Vancouver:
- The Aquarium
- The Convention Centre
- Gastown
- The Empress
- Butchard Gardens (sic)

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#5 Holden West

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 03:31 PM

viviparous, Bringing forth living (active, free-swimming) young, rather than laying eggs; producing live young from within the body of the parent


That's gotta be a joke. Unless it has something to do with the fact a stream used to run through the site. My dad used to catch tadpoles there before the mall was built. Does that make any sense?

For many years, mapmakers have been hiding fake streets in their maps in order to thwart plagarism. If the fake street showed up on a competitor's map, they knew they stole the data.
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#6 aastra

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 03:47 PM

You may be right about the creek thing. That angle eluded me completely.

Still, it seems like a very un-Victorian street name. Has to be a recent thing.

#7 gumgum

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 07:16 PM

Anyone got a historical map of the area?

#8 FunkyMunky

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 08:27 PM

It's not unusual to find odd roads like this on maps that don't seem to exist in reality. Most local maps show Glen Avenue and Calvert Crescent in Oak Bay that were gazetted but never built.

Commercial map producers start with local government data and then (hopefully) refine the data over time using local knowledge, satellite images, airphotos or error reports from users. Apparently there was a gazetted road that was never built around the mall and it became part of the parking lot instead.

There is rarely a need by government to clean-up these sorts of issues unless they conflict with what someone wanted to do today (e.g. the mall wanted to subdivide the property and that created an access issue). As a user, read the fine print and never expect perfection.

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 07:36 PM



This image is from an Island Blue Print & Map Co. , LTD. , Copyright 1950. I does not look like the road was gazetted as there are other roads on the map that were planed but not built. The hatched lines with the numbered circles are Gr. Victoria Transit System and route number.

#10 gumgum

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 08:15 PM

Cool.
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#11 Holden West

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 09:06 PM

If you go [url=http://vihistory.ca/content/maps/imapbasic.php?map=vicstreetcar1936:54e8b]here[/url:54e8b] you can see an old map of the area when Shakespeare St. was known as Amethyst St.

ViHistory has updated and expanded their map page but the interface is wonky. Navigate to Maps>Victoria>Street Maps>1915 City Boundaries and Street Rail, you'll find it.
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#12 aastra

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 09:14 PM

Now what are we to make of that reference to "downtown east" in the fire insurance maps?

I didn't know that the eastern portion of Bay Street used to be called Edmonton Street.

#13 Ms. B. Havin

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 09:49 PM

Now what are we to make of that reference to "downtown east" in the fire insurance maps?

Wow, right: "downtown east" goes all the way to Oak Bay Junction...! (And way north, too.)
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#14 Ms. B. Havin

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 10:03 PM

If you go [url=http://vihistory.ca/content/maps/imapbasic.php?map=vicstreetcar1936:cf88e]here[/url:cf88e] you can see an old map of the area when Shakespeare St. was known as Amethyst St.

ViHistory has updated and expanded their map page but the interface is wonky. Navigate to Maps>Victoria>Street Maps>1915 City Boundaries and Street Rail, you'll find it.


That "Victoria City Boundary and Electric Railway Map, 1915" is enough to make me weep... What a shame that's gone.
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#15 josephelopod

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Posted 07 March 2007 - 01:07 PM

if you look at the satellite photo version of the mall you can see that it's well labled for any visiting spacemen:

http://maps.google.c... ... 9&t=k&om=1

Viviparous way is definitly there... as a road in the parking lot, that's great! playing 'spot the Bowker creek' is a fun summertime pastime, where it pops in and out around the mall region.

 



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