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Black and White
Uses: condo, commercial
Address: 1033 Cook Street
Municipality: Victoria
Region: Downtown Victoria
Storeys: 6
Condo units: 75 (1BR, 2BR, penthouse, 1BR + den, 2BR + den, junior 1BR)
Sales status: sold out / resales only
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[Fairfield] Black and White | Condos; commercial | 6-storeys | Built - completed in 2019


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#761 gstc84

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 01:38 PM

This is one building that I think turned out looking a thousand times better than the renderings.



#762 Nparker

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 02:38 PM

This is one building that I think turned out looking a thousand times better than the renderings.

Which is funny, because I feel exactly the opposite. I liked the renderings better than the finished project.

I think this one is always going to be one of those love it or hate it type of buildings. Although to be clear, I don't hate it, I just don't love it.



#763 shoeflack

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 02:46 PM

I'm definitely on the fence, design wise. For my own taste, I like this one better than the Jukebox. That being said, this building is different. And Victoria needs different looking buildings. So whether or not I like the design, I love that it adds a unique flair to Victoria. So kudos to Abstract for taking a design leap here. Better than a vertical block with spandrel.


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#764 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 02:49 PM

yes that has come out nice.  i like those lower level patios with the wood on sides but glass front.  



#765 LJ

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 07:19 PM

I wouldn't be keen on staring out at the power lines and poles. 


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#766 Nparker

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 07:26 PM

I wouldn't be keen on staring out at the power lines and poles. 

But that's what you get with a short, horizontally-oriented building that is "better than a vertical block with spandrel".  :unsure:


Edited by Nparker, 06 September 2019 - 07:27 PM.


#767 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 04:21 AM

I wouldn't be keen on staring out at the power lines and poles. 

 

except that almost everyone does now where they currently live.   it's not that big a deal.  even in vancouver where you have a maze of trolley lines it's really not that big a mess.  your eyes avert around it without even noticing.

 

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#768 Mike K.

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 07:02 AM

I’m liking the finished product. While underway I wasn’t sure how it would come out but they pulled it off.

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#769 Shelby

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Posted 09 September 2019 - 10:44 PM

I do like the look of the building, but Im really tired of the endless blocking off of one lane of Cook Street. It amazes me that this was allowed to happen, Its rather spooky with the sidewalk taken out so your basically walking in traffic with a cone and caution tape as a barrier.

#770 aastra

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 08:30 AM

 

...even in vancouver where you have a maze of trolley lines it's really not that big a mess.  your eyes avert around it without even noticing.

 

Victorians didn't like the mess of overhead bus lines so they got rid of them, whereas Vancouverites didn't like the mess of overhead power lines so they put them in the lanes.

 

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#771 DavidC

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Posted 10 September 2019 - 08:47 AM

Drove by last week on Fort and thought the building looks better in the wild than photographed.

Though the dinky balconies look a little odd methinks.



#772 Kramer

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 01:11 PM

I wonder why Abstract opted not to go with concrete construction here? It’s more expensive, but the prices commanded by the units in this wood framed development might have made it economically viable to build with concrete by adding small increases to the sales price and that would have allowed for a different design. Still, I think this will be a good addition overall.


They did regret not using concrete. Not sure if it was for structural reason or noise but that’s what I heard.
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#773 Casual Kev

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 05:59 PM

Wood frame for a building that sits so close to a busy street seems silly in hindsight. It does look great, though.



#774 Mixed365

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 07:35 AM

I like it a lot too, it's certainly been one of the new builds (whether wood-frame or concrete) that I'm always curious to see the progress on. The wood accent trim that's being added now looks good. I like seeing those big slabs all akimbo at unexpected angles, especially when looking down Fort. I find it playful.  Of course, after the mega thrust we'll all be akimbo, but these guys were first.

 

What is "akimbo"?


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#775 Jackerbie

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 07:46 AM

What is "akimbo"?

 

Crooked or bent. Also, with elbows out and hands on your hips, known in modern slang as a "power pose" (think Wonder Woman!)


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#776 Torrontes

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 09:04 AM

What is "akimbo"?

 

Interestingly, it's from Middle English (1150 to 1500 AD):  in kenebowe, in kene bowe (in a keen bow”, i.e. “in a sharp bend or angle).

 

I had always thought it sounded African, or possibly aboriginal. Ancient slang redux!


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#777 Kungsberg

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 10:31 AM

What is "akimbo"?

 And there seems to be planned akimbo (Burnaby), and un-planned akimbo...

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#778 Mixed365

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 12:58 PM

Crooked or bent. Also, with elbows out and hands on your hips, known in modern slang as a "power pose" (think Wonder Woman!)

 

+1. Thanks Jackerbie!


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#779 Dinya

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 01:31 PM

Drove by this on the Cook Street frontage and it appeared to me that the inside lane is being lost.  It's all blocked off now, but they've built out sidewalk.  There's no way a car going straight in the outside lane and say a car turning right onto Fort Street or heading straight in the inside lane will be able to do that in tandem now.  So effectively making the drive up to Fort Street a merge point.

 

Are there plans to turn that intersection of Cook Street down to two lanes from four?



#780 shoeflack

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 03:53 PM

Drove by this on the Cook Street frontage and it appeared to me that the inside lane is being lost.  It's all blocked off now, but they've built out sidewalk.  There's no way a car going straight in the outside lane and say a car turning right onto Fort Street or heading straight in the inside lane will be able to do that in tandem now.  So effectively making the drive up to Fort Street a merge point.

 

Are there plans to turn that intersection of Cook Street down to two lanes from four?

 

This isn't the case. They have rebuilt the Cook Street sidewalk to the same standard it was at prior to construction. At first glance from a vehicle it looks like too narrow a lane for vehicles, but upon further inspection, it will be the same width as the existing through lane once paving is complete. Those through lanes at Cook and Fort have always been fairly narrow.

 

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