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#1161 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 07:53 AM

And here's the St. Lawrence, where there are 12 tankers in transit.

 

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#1162 rjag

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 07:55 AM

Mike have a look at https://www.marinetr...ery:42.0/zoom:4 filter it to only tankers and then scroll over to Europe and then Asia...what we are seeing off our waterfront is barely statistical noise


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 07:59 AM

In 2018, there were 53 tankers sailing to/from Westridge. Post expansion they expect there to be ~408. So in terms of actual increase, that is a 355 vessel increase annually. (this data is from Transmountain).

Some folks look at trips, not vessels, so double those numbers then. Incoming tankers usually carry jet fuel, which isn't as much of a concern as it floats.

 

Closest number i could find to total 'tanker focus vessels' transiting the Salish Sea (US and Canada combined) was ~1400 for 2010.

 

https://www2.seas.gw... CORRECTION.pdf

 

 

I don't agree with any assessment that says accidents will never happen again. There have been many accidents over the recent years. Human error is a massive factor in these.


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#1164 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:03 AM

I don't agree with any assessment that says accidents will never happen again. There have been many accidents over the recent years. Human error is a massive factor in these.

 

Luckily automation in the shipping industry is removing the potential for human error at a rapid pace.

 

20 years ago the technology that the industry uses today couldn't have been imagined. It's game changing.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:19 AM

the island of montreal has an oil refinery on it plus pipelines going to it plus ships delivering gulf oil to it every day in the st. lawrence river. no issues. why can that side of the country handle it and we can’t?

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:21 AM

In 2018, there were 53 tankers sailing to/from Westridge. Post expansion they expect there to be ~408. So in terms of actual increase, that is a 355 vessel increase annually. (this data is from Transmountain).

Some folks look at trips, not vessels, so double those numbers then. Incoming tankers usually carry jet fuel, which isn't as much of a concern as it floats.

 

Closest number i could find to total 'tanker focus vessels' transiting the Salish Sea (US and Canada combined) was ~1400 for 2010.

 

https://www2.seas.gw... CORRECTION.pdf

 

 

I don't agree with any assessment that says accidents will never happen again. There have been many accidents over the recent years. Human error is a massive factor in these.

 

Didn't realize that the tankers were bringing jet fuel in. The Port is currently building a terminal and pipeline in Richmond for jet fuel delivery, as currently they're trucking it up over the Alex Fraser bridge when demand exceeds the capacity at Westridge (which is always)



#1167 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:23 AM

Won’t the expanded pipeline deliver more jet fuel to YVR?

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#1168 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:37 AM

We’re learning more about the Twitter blocking debacle.

It looks like Stirling corrected Tzeporah Berman, spokeswoman for Stand Earth, in her claim that tarsand oil was not being sent for export via the Gulf. Once corrected, she banned Stirling, and issued a new post stating that not “much” was being shipped via the Gulf. Stirling, meanwhile, tracked down the vessel, New Dream, which left the Gulf three days ago with a million barrels of dilbit.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:47 AM

Won’t the expanded pipeline deliver more jet fuel to YVR?

 

I'm not sure if jet fuel comes through the TMX or if it is refined at the Parkland refinery. Right now there is a pipeline from the refinery to YVR, and there's a second one being built from Riverport to YVR. Project website is here https://www.vancouve...projectOverview



#1170 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:49 AM

Ah, gotcha.


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#1171 rjag

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:53 AM

We’re learning more about the Twitter blocking debacle.

It looks like Stirling corrected Tzeporah Berman, spokeswoman for Stand Earth, in her claim that tarsand oil was not being sent for export via the Gulf. Once corrected, she banned Stirling, and issued a new post stating that not “much” was being shipped via the Gulf. Stirling, meanwhile, tracked down the vessel, New Dream, which left the Gulf three days ago with a million barrels of dilbit.

 

and theres several million more barrels slated for shipping out of Galveston before the end of June



#1172 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:02 AM

How does it get to Texas?


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:06 AM

How does it get to Texas?

 

Keystone, right?



#1174 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 09:20 AM

Ah, of course! I keep confusing Keystone XL with the existing Keystone already in operation. XL will shorten the pipeline route considerably between Alberta and Kansas.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 07:40 PM

Adam Stirling says Tzeporah Berman, a leading anti-pipeline opponent and activist, just blocked him on Twitter when he pointed out a mistake in one of her claims. Others are now opining that the researcher blocks individuals frequently, and it appears as though the blocks have something to do with them challenging her claims with data that refutes her figures or facts.

Stirling had mentioned that Canadian crude is being shipped to Asia out of the US Gulf. I can’t see/find the original post but I assume it had something to do with landlocked Alberta oil.

And some of those ships leaving Houston with Canadian crude are too big to fit through the Panama canal, they sail all the way around Cape Horn which has some of the worst seas in the world to get that crude to Asia.


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#1176 Mike K.

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Posted 19 June 2019 - 08:17 PM

The irony, right? The vessel en-route to Asia with Canadian crude is doing just that.

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Posted 22 June 2019 - 12:24 PM

Anti-pipeline march could delay traffic on Saturday

 

https://www.timescol...rday-1.23864208

 

I popped up to the airport around noon and didn't see anything unusual on the 17...  Too soon maybe?


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Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:19 AM

"The government approval of the Trans-Mountain pipeline expansion won't stop efforts in British Columbia to halt the project, protesters gathered outside Victoria's city hall said Saturday.

 

About 300 demonstrators were adamant in their commitment to fight the pipeline twinning project, approved this week by the federal Liberal government, as they prepared to embark on a 22-kilometre march to a beach south of Victoria."

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...toria-1.5186451

 

I think I have done a 180 on this pipeline thing. Expanding the shipment of bitumen to foreign countries is a little bit like shipping raw logs for re-manufacture elsewhere.

 

If Canadians can't figure out how to best use our natural resources for our own needs....then leave them in the ground until a future generation can figure it out for us.

 

We don't have the manpower to fill the vacant jobs today so quit with the creating jobs excuse. 

 

The taxpayers of Canada purchased this pipeline mess with our dollars. Let's cut our losses and tell the oil companies to mail this crap to China if they want.



#1179 Mike K.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:27 AM

Asia depends on that bitumen as their refineries were created to handle heavy crude while North American refineries were built to mostly handle light crude.

So in short, the fastest growing part of the world needs our resource, just like Canada needs the resources of other nations (like Saudi light crude, and bananas).

Not building the pipeline will divert the heavy crude from Alberta to Texas, where it will be loaded onto supertankers too large for the Panama Canel and which will have to navigate the dangerous waters of Cape Horn before entering the Pacific. So the west coast pipeline really is the safest and most economical way to provide the crude Asia needs and will get one way or another.
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#1180 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 07:27 AM

we are an exporting country.  we have enormous resources that we can't possibly effectively use ourselves.

 

would you at least support energy east to rid us of foreign imports of oil in the east?

 

suncor's massive montreal refinery still gets a portion of its oil from overseas.  more:  https://www.national...ec-gets-its-oil


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