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[lanforod]

Without the coal, how will shipbuilders create the steel necessary to build the vessels for an expanded cargo port?

And who will buy the higher volume of goods, if hundreds of thousands of Canadians lose their energy-related high paying jobs?

 

This. Though the thermal coal exports are increasing too; something like 90% of the coal we export is metallurgical, so mostly used for steel. G-Man, why would you want to curb global steel production?

[Victoria Watcher]

Delta port cargo is another story and would be happy to see it expand.

 

if more canadians are unemployed under your scheme we will not have any increased demand for imports at delta. it'll shrink.

 

we are lucky to have the rest of the country to get product from to export:

 

https://vancouversun...ks-cargo-record

 

The bulk of material that goes through the (Vancouver) port are exports — 115.6 million tonnes compared to 31.5 million tonnes of imports in 2018. However, the data showed imports grew by almost 10 per cent in 2018 while exports grew 1.9 per cent.

 

The top six classes of commodities shipped through the port’s facilities by volume were coal, grain and crops, forest products, chemicals and minerals, fertilizers and petroleum products.

 

The biggest percentage jump in volume was crude petroleum, which leaped 67.5 per cent to three million tonnes. Diesel and fuel oils and aviation fuel also recorded big rises. The bulk of petroleum products are imported into B.C.

 

Canada’s bumper 2018 grain harvest and strong overseas demand was credited with the volume increase for barley, which grew 48 per cent over 2017 to 1.9 million tonnes. Wheat exports were down slightly.

 

but look we still have to import lots of oil.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 25 June 2019 - 03:17 AM.

[G-Man]

Deltaport exports thermal coal as far as I am aware so it is going to be used in China's electric plants not for steel production.

[Mike K.]

To power the factories that make the goods eventually shipped to Canada. It’s all very much related.

[Victoria Watcher]

Deltaport exports thermal coal as far as I am aware so it is going to be used in China's electric plants not for steel production.

only 1/3 is thermal.

[lanforod]

And either way: http://www.westshore...2017thermal.pdf

[lanforod]

only 1/3 is thermal.

 

Aye.

Per this: http://www.westshore.com/#/facts they ship 19 m tons per year of metallurgical just for one customer, Teck. That's more than half their capacity. So definitely not all, or even mostly thermal.

[jonny]

I don't see a benefit for Victoria or BC here at all. Seems the benefits all happen elsewhere and we are taking on the risk. In twenty years the pipeline will seem like a huge waste of resources and the risk of permanent damage will be there in the interim.

 

BC is not better off if Canada is wealthier? 

 

Because no BCer's have generated immense wealth off of the oil patch. 

 

Because no BCer's are employed by the federal government. 

 

Because no BCers work in the maritime industry. 

 

Because no BCers work in construction. 

 

Because no BCers have family from the prairies. 

[LJ]

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Toronto Sun reports that a left-wing lobby group in San Francisco wired $55,000 to the bank account of an Indian chief in Northern Alberta, paying him to oppose the oilsands.

And sure enough, that chief – Allan Adam, from the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation – earned his money. Last weekend, he flew to Toronto to sit on a stage next to Neil Young, the folk singer who was in town to demonize Canada’s oil industry.

Now, $55,000 might sound like a lot of money to pay, just to rent a politician for a day if all the chief did for his money was to appear on stage in Toronto beside Neil Young. But to the Tides Foundation, it’s well worth it. Think of Adam as an actor, hired to play a part in an elaborate theatrical production.

Neil Young had his role: he’s the American celebrity who can draw crowds of fawning Baby Boomer journalists. But at the end of the day, he’s just another millionaire celebrity. When he talks about the oilsands, he quickly reveals himself as a low-information know-nothing.

Adam brings what Young can’t: authenticity. Young likes to wear an Indian-style leather vest, but Adam really is an Indian, and he really lives near the oilsands.

Adam didn’t do a lot of talking in Toronto. He was more of a prop than an actor. See, the Tides Foundation is from San Francisco. And Neil Young lives on a 1,500-acre estate near San Francisco. Without Adam, this would have just been some California millionaires coming up here to boss Canadians around. That’s why they had to hire Adam, to aboriginalize their attack on Canada. It was political sleight of hand, to distract from the fact that this was a foreign assault on Canadian jobs.

Tides could have hired an actual actor, like maybe Lorne Cardinal, who played the Aboriginal policeman in the comedy series Corner Gas. But they didn’t hire an actor. They hired an elected public official. That’s the problem.

Adam’s official title is “chief.” But it’s not a religious or cultural title. Under the Indian Act, that’s just the legal title given to the elected mayor of an Indian Band.

The Tides Foundation put $55,000 into the bank account of a mayor to get him to take a particular political position. Depending on what Tides was getting the Chief to do, the payment might well have been a bribe. But we won’t know, because no one is talking about the $55,000 payment.

How is it acceptable that a foreign lobby group can simply deposit cash into a bank account of a Canadian politician? Who else is being paid cash to oppose the oilsands?

This fact almost escaped detection. It was buried in the Tides Foundation’s 138-page filing with the IRS, who only disclosed it to get a tax break. Even then, it was shrouded in secrecy.

The money was paid to a numbered company, 850450 Alberta Ltd. Only a search of Alberta’s corporate registry revealed that 850450 Alberta Ltd. was owned by another company, called Acden Group Ltd., that had changed its name twice in the past four years. Adam and other band politicians were directors and shareholders, in trust for the band.

The payment was well-hidden – and Adam certainly didn’t disclose it when he was on stage with Young.

The same IRS disclosure shows Tides made 25 different payments to Canadian anti-oilsands activists in a single year, totaling well over a million dollars. And that’s just one U.S. lobby group. The Rockefeller Brothers Fund out of New York, spends $7 million a year in Canada, with an explicit campaign strategy of fomenting Aboriginal unrest, through protests and lawsuits.

If a foreign oil company – say, ExxonMobil – was depositing secret payments in the bank accounts of MPs, it would be a scandal. Those MPs would face an RCMP investigation, Exxon would likely be charged with bribery, and the media on both sides of the border would have a field day.
 

[Mike K.]

Do we have a link for the source, LJ?

[rjag]

Do we have a link for the source, LJ?

 

its a 5 year old article

https://torontosun.c...64-9c782fb886f2

[Victoria Watcher]

An Indigenous-led group plans to offer to buy a majority stake in the Trans Mountain oil pipeline from the federal government this week or next — a deal that could help Prime Minister Justin Trudeau mitigate election-year criticism from environmentalists.

 

The group, called Project Reconciliation, aims to submit the $6.9 billion offer as early as Friday, managing director Stephen Mason told Reuters, and start negotiations with Ottawa two weeks later.

 

Project Reconciliation was founded by Delbert Wapass, a former chief of the Thunderchild First Nation in Saskatchewan, and has invited Indigenous participation from B.C., Alberta and Saskatchewan. Its office is in Calgary.

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...ntain-1.5197303

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 02 July 2019 - 01:07 PM.

[DustMagnet]

If we own it, chances are we can quiet down the opposition.

 

 

They take care of their own...?

[todd]

Apparently there was a big protest against shaving: https://www.vicnews....ent-in-oak-bay/

[todd]

Is it lawful to do a citizen protective custody arrest?

[todd]

Ironically the press conference was held on top of a sensitive meadow.

[Victoria Watcher]

Trans Mountain Corp. has restarted construction on the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, the company said on Wednesday, a year after the contentious project stalled because of regulatory delays.

[Mike K.]

$2 million was gifted to a Canadian anti-oil activist by an American organization that is an arm of foundations that have been working to kill the Canadian oil industry.

Over the years, Berman has been making a name for herself in Canada — and a lot of money — fighting against Alberta, but if she were honest, she’d have to acknowledge that her efforts have not helped keep a single barrel of oil in the ground. All she’s done is shifted where it comes from.

 

As Alberta oil production has been curtailed, the U.S. oil industry has doubled in size.

Could that be the true intention of these U.S. billionaires? That’s certainly a question worth asking.

Meanwhile, global demand for crude oil (including biofuels), as compiled by Statista, in 2018 amounted to 99.2 million barrels per day and is projected to increase to 100.6 million barrels per day in 2019 — or an extra 1.4 million barrels per day. About 98 per cent of that increase is being supplied by the U.S.
 

- https://nationalpost...38-ae49a75e69ab

[Victoria Watcher]

poll says 53 to 26% canadians want the pipeline built.

https://www.cbc.ca/n...-reid-1.5282430

[Victoria Watcher]

this does not sound good:

 

 

 

Drones claimed by Yemen's Houthi rebels attacked the world's largest oil processing facility in Saudi Arabia and a major oilfield operated by Saudi Aramco early Saturday, sparking a huge fire at a processor crucial to global energy supplies.

 

It wasn't clear if there were any injuries in the attacks in Buqyaq and the Khurais oil field, nor what effect it would have on oil production in the kingdom. The attack also likely will heighten tensions further across the wider Persian Gulf amid a confrontation between the U.S. and Iran over its unravelling nuclear deal with world powers. The Houthis are backed by Tehran amid a yearslong Saudi-led war against them in Yemen.

 

Online videos apparently shot in Buqyaq included the sound of gunfire in the background. Smoke rose over the skyline and glowing flames could be seen a distance away at the Abqaiq oil processing facility.

Saudi state television later aired a segment with a correspondent there as smoke from the blazes clearly rose behind. That smoke also was visible from space.

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...uthis-1.5283837

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 14 September 2019 - 03:57 AM.