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#21 Rob Randall

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:51 PM

See, there's almost certainly going to have to be a rezoning for any credible proposal because the zoning on the Reid site at the foot of Fort has a 1:1 floor space ratio with a height limit no higher than Wharf Street. No developer would touch a high-profile prime piece of expensive waterfront real estate with such restrictive low-density zoning. The numbers simply don't add up.

And that leads to the question of what do we want to see down there? The roofs of buildings? Or the vision that aastra created in Photoshop of a multi-storey development that extends the street grid closer to the water.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:02 PM

Add Reeson Park (the grassy slope favoured by rubbies) to the whatever its called proposal right next to the bridge (Northern Junk) and we could have quite a different development.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:01 PM

What everyone, including the idiots on the government staff, seem to have overlooked is that the Provincial coffers will never see one single dime from these lands. Why? Because First Nations get first crack at crown lands to settle land claims. As soon as the Province declares the land surplus I guarantee you the bands will be in the courts petitioning for transfer of title in settlement of claims.

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#24 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:33 AM

BREAKING:   PCC is being dissolved, folded into other areas of government.   Pacific Carbon Trust gone too.


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#25 Mike K.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:45 AM

Do we know which area of government the PCC will fall under?


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#26 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:51 AM

Do we know which area of government the PCC will fall under?

 

Dunno yet.  Properties affected:  St. Ann's Academy - Steamship Terminal - Crystal Gardens - Milestones and Tourism Infocentre Building - Stores Building - and many harbour properties.


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#27 Mike K.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:55 AM

The PCC wasn't exactly doing this region any favours. How much worse can things get, right?


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#28 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:59 AM

The PCC wasn't exactly doing this region any favours. How much worse can things get, right?

 

They have some key pieces of harbour front lots too.

 

Does anyone have a map showing who owns what from the Harbour to the JSB?  That'd be nice to see.  See why we can't get our act together.

 

I did not know until I looked it up today that PCC has the tourist infocentre/Milestones.

 

Poor PCC staff/boss.  First their building on Pandora gets given away (soon) to the natives, now they lose their jobs.

 

Could this stuff just revert to BCBC control?  Or I presume it could be the first step to selling it off.  I suppose it all has value, save for St. Ann's, don't know how that can make money run as anything.


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#29 Mike K.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:03 AM

BCBC makes a lot of sense.

 

One of the things that rubbed me the wrong way about the PCC was its board makeup. People from who knows where were making decisions that impacted Victorians directly but residents had literally no opportunity for feedback.

 

It was like a CRD board comprised of people from Smithers, Prince George and Surrey.


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#30 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:11 AM

^ I agree.  News coming in now, Transport BC (or whatever its called) will take over the Belleville Terminal.


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#31 Hotel Mike

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:11 AM

Seems to me that it's just another slap in the face of the province's capital city. There was a body in place, whatever their efficacy, to maintain this city's important status. Now that's gone as well. Victoria will become more of an afterthought to the provincial government than it already is.


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#32 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:15 AM

Seems to me that it's just another slap in the face of the province's capital city. There was a body in place, whatever their efficacy, to maintain this city's important status. Now that's gone as well. Victoria will become more of an afterthought to the provincial government than it already is.

 

What did they really do though, other than collect some rent from long-term tenants (Milestones, COV, Clipper etc.) and then I presume blow that money on sparsely attended and perhaps the most poorly-promoted events, at St. Ann's?  And throw a little sponsorship money around for some other events.

 

I mean, the Crystal Garden is classic.  One government (COV) pays PCC for it, all the while they never hardly use it, and it just contributes to the conference centre deficit every year.  PCC takes the rent and puts on a half-ass event at St. Ann's, presumably just to balance all the books at the end of the year.  PCC maintains a zero balance every year, but really COV and Clipper are paying for a lousy event.

 

PCC makes these events free, but pay the performers quite generously - everyone knows the best gigs for performers are government-run and corporate events.  Meanwhile, for-profit promoters like Atomique create massive events that dwarf the PCCs efforts.


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#33 Mike K.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:38 AM

What we need is a plan for the PCC's holdings. We're held hostage by whatever the PCC wants to do and to be perfectly honest they have done the bare minimum with the holdings and VIctoria's urban waterfront has suffered for decades.

 

Quite honestly nobody from any other jurisdiction of this province cares about what happens in Victoria nor do they want to expend any quantifiable energy crafting a beautification plan that does not in any way benefit their own constituents or home jurisdictions. The PCC failed Victoria in many ways and it's about time the organization was dissolved.


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#34 Holden West

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:42 AM

The blockbuster here is the Reid Site, the vast parking lots along Wharf. How is that transaction going to go?


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#35 Nparker

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 12:35 PM

 

...Quite honestly nobody from any other jurisdiction of this province cares about what happens in Victoria nor do they want to expend any quantifiable energy crafting a beautification plan that does not in any way benefit their own constituents or home jurisdictions...

 

Well I didn't want to craft/pay for a $500 million beautification plan on BC Place Stadium or a second Vancouver Conference Centre but it seems my pockets were picked for those projects, neither of which benefits me.



#36 Mike K.

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 12:43 PM

Oh you betcha. The expenditures across this province at the behest of the provincial government highlight how meaningless the PCC was. It collected rent, sat on the money and every once in a while made a token effort to do something ...like close down the Crystal Gardens.


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#37 Ken Johnson

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 04:14 PM

The PCC mandate extended to the entire Province and was oriented mainly towards children and youth. They were responsible for the annual Youth Legislature and were donors to various other children's events such as the Provincial Student Heritage Fairs They had an extensive program of bringing school children from all over the Province to Victoria.These programs will continue from the Ministry of Community,Sport and Cultural Development.

 

The land below Wharf Street, commonly known as the Reid Site, should be given back to the First Nations  peoples, either to local groups or to the whole of the Provincial First Nations, to be developed as a celebration site of First Nations culture. The site lies directly below the original site of Fort Victoria and early painting show trading being conducted on this site outside of the gates (now Fort Street).

 

The City needs a tourist attraction that would replace this parking lot, which, by the way, including the smaller parking lot below Milestones,only generates about $500k per year. Craigdarroch Castle pulled in $1,100,000 in admission in 2012 plus another $365,000 in the gift store.


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#38 Bingo

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:34 AM

Crystal Garden

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http://www.bcpcc.com...ystalgarden.php


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