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[Mike K.]

You see the impacts from hard drugs on the sidewalk, that’s why it resonates with you. You don’t often see the suffering and the violence alcohol causes.

20% of Canadians are ‘heavy drinkers.’ That’s 80,000 people in the CRD. Statistics Canada says the financial burden of alcohol on the nation was $16 billion, in 2017. It’s going to be staggeringly higher today.

https://health-infob.../alcohol/ctads/

[Matt R.]

About a century ago there were a lot of people spewing this sort of line.  It led to Prohibition, and that worked so well....
 
I'm not much of a rabble-rouser these days but the day I can't buy a beer because it's bee banned will be the day I start causing some real trouble.

Yes, safe supply is important.

Mike, are you trolling?

[Matt R.]

You see the impacts from hard drugs on the sidewalk, that’s why it resonates with you. You don’t often see the suffering and the violence alcohol causes.

20% of Canadians are ‘heavy drinkers.’ That’s 80,000 people in the CRD. Statistics Canada says the financial burden of alcohol on the nation was $16 billion, in 2017. It’s going to be staggeringly higher today.

https://health-infob.../alcohol/ctads/

That’s because alcohol users have safe consumption sites lined up and down both sides of the street. Free water, bathrooms, someone to tell you when you’ve had enough, janitor to clean up after you, etc.

Mike, are you trolling?

[lanforod]

He ain't trolling. He's also not wrong in that alcohol is a very expensive vice here. 

 

Prohibition doesn't work. Alcohol in moderation seems okay to me and to most people.

 

IMO, the solution is targetting heavy drinkers to get them to a more acceptable level, not necessarily cold turkey quitting. Much 'heavy drinking' is between 18 and 25...   Perhaps a stigma campaign a la cigarettes would help, I dunno. But I don't like programs that increase costs for something that doesn't have to affect most people. Booze is already very expensive.

[Ismo07]

He ain't trolling. He's also not wrong in that alcohol is a very expensive vice here. 

 

Prohibition doesn't work. Alcohol in moderation seems okay to me and to most people.

 

IMO, the solution is targetting heavy drinkers to get them to a more acceptable level, not necessarily cold turkey quitting. Much 'heavy drinking' is between 18 and 25...   Perhaps a stigma campaign a la cigarettes would help, I dunno. But I don't like programs that increase costs for something that doesn't have to affect most people. Booze is already very expensive.

 

18 to 25 group is already drinking less these days...  Don't tell me what to do with my body

[Matt R.]

He ain't trolling. He's also not wrong in that alcohol is a very expensive vice here.

Prohibition doesn't work. Alcohol in moderation seems okay to me and to most people.

IMO, the solution is targetting heavy drinkers to get them to a more acceptable level, not necessarily cold turkey quitting. Much 'heavy drinking' is between 18 and 25... Perhaps a stigma campaign a la cigarettes would help, I dunno. But I don't like programs that increase costs for something that doesn't have to affect most people.
Booze is already very expensive.

Sure moderate amounts of heroin are fine. It’s the fentanyl that gets ya.

Wait, am I trolling? Yes. Stigma works, we already have that in place. Prohibition sure doesn’t work, not sure why we think it will with other drugs.

Edited by Matt R., 12 November 2024 - 10:07 AM.

[lanforod]

Yup, but are you also okay with the billions it costs us? . 

In moderation... most things are okay. I don't think people get addicted to alcohol when it is used in moderation, unlike caffeine, cigarettes or opiods.

[Matt R.]

I think Mike K is bang on.

Alcohol is highly addictive, you just don’t see it because alcoholics have more opportunities to use their drugs out of sight.

[Mike K.]

It also doesn’t kill you, by accident, when having a drink on a Friday night. So we don’t view it like we do street drugs, I guess. But eventually it will kill you.

Talk to a cop about what they see in the course of their days. Alcohol and cannabis use are commonly associated to dangerous situations they deal with.

[Matt R.]

We’ve all seen the drunks passed out on the sidewalk, this is nothing new.

[lanforod]

You’ll find that alcohol once or twice a week does not kill ya, Mike. Eventually or not. Old age, cancer, whatever will long before.

[Mike K.]

No, that’s not right.

If you’re curious, you’ll want to read up on that. There is no such thing as a safe quantity of alcohol. There are also no benefits to its consumption, either.

If you want the ‘health benefit’ of wine, drink grape juice.

[lanforod]

Except I didn’t say it isn’t harmful. I said it won’t kill you, in moderation. Big difference. We do lots of things that would kill us if done excessively.

[Lashlarue]

Cheeseburgers and soda pop will eventually kill you too, should we ban McDonald’s while we’re at it?

[Matt R.]

We have safe supply regulations for food too.

Starting to see a trend here.

[Mike K.]

Except I didn’t say it isn’t harmful. I said it won’t kill you, in moderation. Big difference. We do lots of things that would kill us if done excessively.

That’s also not quite true. Science doesn’t know the point at which alcohol becomes deadly. That’s why we hear there is no safe amount of booze. We just don’t know what triggers booze-caused cancer. We can see damage to organs over time. But the cancer is the wildcard.

Drinking usually leads to eating cheeseburgers, too. And all sorts of unhealthy food.

[Ismo07]

It also doesn’t kill you, by accident, when having a drink on a Friday night. So we don’t view it like we do street drugs, I guess. But eventually it will kill you.

Talk to a cop about what they see in the course of their days. Alcohol and cannabis use are commonly associated to dangerous situations they deal with.

 

You need to talk at high schools maybe, try to scare kids straight...  Not sure you need to be preaching here.

 

No one wants to live to 100 anyway..

 

 

Cheeseburgers and soda pop will eventually kill you too, should we ban McDonald’s while we’re at it?

 

No one is banning anything...

Edited by Ismo07, 13 November 2024 - 09:02 AM.

[lanforod]

That’s also not quite true. Science doesn’t know the point at which alcohol becomes deadly. That’s why we hear there is no safe amount of booze. We just don’t know what triggers booze-caused cancer. We can see damage to organs over time. But the cancer is the wildcard.

Drinking usually leads to eating cheeseburgers, too. And all sorts of unhealthy food.

 

Ah, so finally, you admit, 'we actually don't know how long it would take' rather than 'it'll kill you!'.

[Ismo07]

Ah, so finally, you admit, 'we actually don't know how long it would take' rather than 'it'll kill you!'.

 

Different for everyone, like smoking, milk and blueberries...

[Barrister]

Judging by fatal car accidents' involving alcohol it would that it not only kills but often it kills others.