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#61 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:33 PM

Seems odd.  So right now my kid can sit at the bar at Red Robin with me, but he won't be able to at pubs?  And when I bring him, I'm restricted to a table but he can roam around?  I agree though it's alot about the size and business of a place.  Cabarets that just open for evening liquor service will not be allowed kids.

 

Few pubs are open all day and until late, but some are.  Particularly, pubs attached to hotels can usually stay open 14 hours daily, so 12noon until 2am.  Sopranos is a bar you likely would not want to take your kid to day or night, but it's in the same category as Smith's Pub or the Swiftsure Lounge, or the Sticky Wicket.  


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:38 PM

I would imagine any place that is called a pub would be a candidate to allow minors. I would also imagine that there would be sections of the pubs allowing kids. Probably not the whole area.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:49 PM

I would imagine any place that is called a pub would be a candidate to allow minors. I would also imagine that there would be sections of the pubs allowing kids. Probably not the whole area.

 

So the pub is only 1/3 full, but all the kids area is full with families, they turn away any new family business that arrives at the door?   What would be the point of a separate area, and how would it be signed, since other patrons can move about in a pub freely.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 03:11 PM

With these new rules ICBC can obtain more money from the BC Gov .

BC Gov will be collecting more revenue because more pople will be buying cheaper booze at Happy Hour rates.

The new ICBC money can help pay more wages and operating cost of the IRSU cop.

The IRSU cops can wait down the road from teh Happy Hour Pubs.

They can bust people for blowing into a thing that shows colours and not mg units.

 

There you have it folks a hypocrtical government again

 

They have this BC Municipal law to bust innocent people who blow under the CCC regulated acceptable BAC limit ..they take away their license then fine them big wads of money but at the same time they are introducing new legislation which will admit underage persons into bars and pubs AND they will be legislating Happy hour pricing at bars.

 

In a nut shell.... Have some cheap drinks, bring your children, then drive through our police road blocks sanctioned by the BC Government .. fricken idiots they need to get rid of that bullcrap provincial law



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:20 PM

I still find it amazing that one could not drink alcohol at pubs or bars on Sundays before 1986 in BC! (Changed/updated for all the tourists coming from more progressive places for Expo)



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:41 PM

I still find it amazing that one could not drink alcohol at pubs or bars on Sundays before 1986 in BC! (Changed/updated for all the tourists coming from more progressive places for Expo)

 

...and for some years after the closing time was 12 midnight on Sundays too.   We used to occasionally go to Seattle to have funner Sunday nights*.  Good times.

 

*unclear if it was ever worth the effort and expense.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:06 PM

I would imagine any place that is called a pub would be a candidate to allow minors. I would also imagine that there would be sections of the pubs allowing kids. Probably not the whole area.

I personally don't like going to restaurants that are known to attract families. Kids can be pretty loud and annoying at the best of times.


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Posted 18 December 2013 - 07:58 PM

^I assume you don't have kids.

 

When and if you're on the other side you'll realize that your adult desires don't end because you have them. And you certainly don't like being told you can't go somewhere because a small minority of other kids are shits and some parents are irresponsible.

 

BTW we've all seen some pretty horrendous adult behaviour in pubs that make all children look like perfect little angels.


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#69 Matt R.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 10:21 PM

I think the bar area at Red Robin is currently 19+.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 08:40 AM

^I assume you don't have kids.

 

When and if you're on the other side you'll realize that your adult desires don't end because you have them. And you certainly don't like being told you can't go somewhere because a small minority of other kids are shits and some parents are irresponsible.

 

BTW we've all seen some pretty horrendous adult behaviour in pubs that make all children look like perfect little angels.

 

I don't think this has anything to do with whether or not I have kids.

 

I'm not saying adult desires don't end when you have kids, but why would someone want to take their child to Big Bad John's, Garrick's Head, Sopranos, Smith's or Taphouse, or sit their toddler down at a bar?


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#71 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 08:49 AM

I don't think this has anything to do with whether or not I have kids.

 

I'm not saying adult desires don't end when you have kids, but why would someone want to take their child to Big Bad John's, Garrick's Head, Sopranos, Smith's or Taphouse, or sit their toddler down at a bar?

 

Maybe we are just a little spoiled here, as we have so many quality licensed restaurants to choose from, some "pub-style".  Maybe if I live in Abbottsford, or Cache Creek, options are more limited.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:33 AM

my 2 cents

 

I have kids and run a pub, and I don't think kids should be allowed in a pub/bar. and I wont allow them in Garrick's Head

I have been working in pubs a long time and know the atmosphere and the kind of language and it is not kid friendly.

do you want your 8 year old in the washroom with the weird drunk guy/woman type of thing.


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#73 Mike K.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 09:52 AM

Maybe we are just a little spoiled here, as we have so many quality licensed restaurants to choose from, some "pub-style". Maybe if I live in Abbottsford, or Cache Creek, options are more limited.


Good point, but would an entrepreneur in this economy open a 19+ place in lieu of opening a licensed restaurant with a bar? As I've recently been told the bar business isn't what it used to be.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 10:29 AM

my 2 cents

 

I have kids and run a pub, and I don't think kids should be allowed in a pub/bar. and I wont allow them in Garrick's Head

I have been working in pubs a long time and know the atmosphere and the kind of language and it is not kid friendly.

do you want your 8 year old in the washroom with the weird drunk guy/woman type of thing.

I wouldn't take my kids to the Red Lion but I would take them to Christies on a Sunday afternoon after a walk....or sit on a patio and have a glass of wine at Whistler....I think there are too many chicken little scenarios being played here, I personally had a situation years ago where I couldn't take the baby into the Oak Bay Rec lounge after a swim for a juice and a muffin after 6pm because it became a lounge....how insane is that? That's the stuff that needs fixed.

 

Its time the people of our Province grew up, accepted some personal responsibility and understand that we cant live such regulated socialist nanny-state lifestyles if we want our economy and lifestyle to stay in tune with the rest of the western world.

 

No offense meant to you OSJ, your opinion is valuable as is mine and I agree with you for certain locales. But there must be some compromise as not everyone is going to agree with either of our positions, yet something needs to change.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:35 AM

my 2 cents

 

I have kids and run a pub, and I don't think kids should be allowed in a pub/bar. and I wont allow them in Garrick's Head

I have been working in pubs a long time and know the atmosphere and the kind of language and it is not kid friendly.

do you want your 8 year old in the washroom with the weird drunk guy/woman type of thing.

 

I think most responsible parents aren't thinking about bringing their kids to the pub when "that" crown is around. I've been to your establishment many times and after an afternoon of Christmas shopping it would be nice to sit down for a beer, enjoy your atmosphere with other like minded people and share an appy or two with the family.

And let's not forget that "kids" are still anything under 19 years old when it comes to the pub scene. If I had a 17/18 year old kid and he was in the pub with me I'd be more concerned with what your patrons might pick up in terms of language from them. I'm sure they've heard, said much worse.

 

I would think it might be appropriate to say that kids (minors) can enter the establishment but after a certain time they must vacate. Something healthy like 8pm, after a late dinner.


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#76 Mike K.

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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:46 AM

I would think it might be appropriate to say that kids (minors) can enter the establishment but after a certain time they must vacate. Something healthy like 8pm, after a late dinner.

But that's the big issue at hand. How do you ensure minors have vacated the premises when you're operating a relatively busy bar? Miss one, get caught, and your establishment is fined thousands of dollars. Must pubs are bustling come 5-6PM and by then it will be difficult to weed out who should be in and who should be out.

 

OSJ is in the business, VHF knows the business, and they're both against this for legitimate/practical reasons, so I think we ought to give them the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing and can see the impact of minors in their establishments from multiple angles.

 

As VHF said, if you're in a small town with a couple of pubs and a few restaurants, opening the pubs to a wider clientele might make business sense and give locals some variety. But here we have a plethora of options at just about every turn.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 11:56 AM

As VHF said, if you're in a small town with a couple of pubs and a few restaurants, opening the pubs to a wider clientele might make business sense and give locals some variety. But here we have a plethora of options at just about every turn.

 

And here pub owners/operators will be able to not allow minors in if they choose.

 

I don't see the problem.

 

I remember being a kid and not being allowed in restaurants/pubs for lunch or dinner with my parents because minors aren't allowed. That's pretty stupid IMO.



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Posted 19 December 2013 - 12:56 PM

I don't think fears of crying babies and toddlers running around will come true.  You're going to see dads taking their teenaged sons to the pub, not families with crying babies. 

 

Families will feel more comfortable at family restaurants anyway. 

 

 

I welcome these changes.  It should be up to the establishment whether or not they want to allow minors in their pub/lounge areas, not the government.


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:03 PM

I don't think fears of crying babies and toddlers running around will come true.  You're going to see dads taking their teenaged sons to the pub, not families with crying babies. 

 

Families will feel more comfortable at family restaurants anyway. 

 

 

I welcome these changes.  It should be up to the establishment whether or not they want to allow minors in their pub/lounge areas, not the government.

 

And a lot of 19-year-old guys are hoping a lot of moms will bring their 17 and 18-year old daughters to the pub, easier to meet girls and get phone numbers than at the nightclub when you are 19 and the youngest there. 


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Posted 19 December 2013 - 01:10 PM

It should be up to the establishment whether or not they want to allow minors in their pub/lounge areas, not the government.

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