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#1 Bob Fugger

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:08 AM

City staff pan low-cost housing project

By Bill Cleverley, Times Colonist April 19, 2012 5:56 AM

A proposal to convert a Rock Bay motel into low-cost rental housing is being recommended for rejection by Victoria planning staff.

2828 Rock Bay Joint Ventures wants to convert the existing three-storey, 41-unit former Traveller's Inn at 2828 Rock Bay Ave., adjacent to the Cool Aid Society's purpose-built Rock Bay Landing shelter, into 55 rental units. The new units, aimed at working singles, would range from 221.4 square feet to 551 square feet and would rent from $600 to $750 a month. The additional units could be provided without expanding the building's footprint because there is undeveloped space within the building.

But city staff are suggesting it not be forwarded to public hearing for a number of reasons.

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The application comes as the city is undertaking $1.7 million in renovations to its own former Traveller's Inn at 710 Queens Ave. - now called Queens Manor - to convert it into 36 units of supportive housing.
That project came under the spotlight during last November's municipal election, after council rejected an application by developer Mike Kelly to convert his former Traveller's Inn at 3025 Douglas St. into low-income rental apartments.


One of the reasons Bill forgot to mention in the article is that City Council feels that it is in the best position to create and administer low-cost housing and that private sector developers are evil and sacrifice kittens to maximize returns. Oh, and that the City is no way being hypocritical at all, nope.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:13 AM

City Council feels that it is in the best position to create and administer low-cost housing


^ In fairness, it's a staff recommendation, council has not voted yet.

Lack of parking does seem like a bad reason not to support, and so does the area zoning, since they just built a shelter there, pretty much next door.
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#3 Bob Fugger

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:25 AM

^ In fairness, it's a staff recommendation, council has not voted yet.

Lack of parking does seem like a bad reason not to support, and so does the area zoning, since they just built a shelter there, pretty much next door.


Of course; however, the Cuff Report mandates that Council blindly support staff in its recommendations. Unless it doesn't (e.g., garbage/composting). :D

#4 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:02 AM

It's going forward to council:

http://www.timescolo...5893/story.html
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:37 AM

This property was built as a motel where I assume that most people pulled up in a car in order to stay the night.

There is parking galore on this property. I must be missing a piece of the puzzle.







#6 martini

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 06:54 PM

I swear any attempt by developers to create affordable housing gets kiboshed by the city.

Isn't one of the TI's that the city bought for housing in the same zoning area?!

#7 aastra

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:18 PM

Staff said the site is not identified for residential use in either the Burnside Neighbourhood Plan or the Official Community Plan. They identify the area for industrial activity.


Read more: http://www.timescolo...l#ixzz1sXyFlMed

It makes sense, doesn't it? That an old motel property (right next door to a brand new shelter building) is not identified for residential use in the applicable community plans?

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 07:29 PM

There is parking galore on this property. I must be missing a piece of the puzzle.

From your pics I see parking for maybe 25-30 vehicles. They're proposing 55 units. What are you, man? A barbarian? Are these people supposed to be schlepping around on the bus or something? Next you'll tell me they should be riding bikes or walking or some such crazy nonsense.

The guideline is, if you can afford to own a car then you should be forced to use alternatives, whereas if you can't afford a car then you should be encouraged to drive.

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 08:32 PM

From your pics I see parking for maybe 25-30 vehicles. They're proposing 55 units. What are you, man? A barbarian? Are these people supposed to be schlepping around on the bus or something? Next you'll tell me they should be riding bikes or walking or some such crazy nonsense.

The guideline is, if you can afford to own a car then you should be forced to use alternatives, whereas if you can't afford a car then you should be encouraged to drive.


Also, don't forget that if you can't afford a home and need assisted living then you most definitely require a parking space as well!
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#10 David Bratzer

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:36 AM

Here are a few articles about 2828 Rock Bay Ave:

Alleged fraud linked to Victoria property deals:
http://www.canada.co...0516d5a&k=23732

Victoria man in alleged stock fraud:
http://www2.canada.c...35-26800efd7cce

Street dweller dies after motel assault:
http://www2.canada.c...3e-e382d3f6625f

Dozens of residents displaced after a pair of morning fires:
http://www2.canada.c...82-ee6240082d7f

Police arrest man after attack on motel manager:
http://www.viccity.c... motel manager/

Police seize rifle after assault at motel:
http://www2.canada.c...db-d37aa71b61d3

#11 Sparky

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Posted 20 April 2012 - 11:31 PM

From your pics I see parking for maybe 25-30 vehicles. They're proposing 55 units. What are you, man? A barbarian? Are these people supposed to be schlepping around on the bus or something? Next you'll tell me they should be riding bikes or walking or some such crazy nonsense.

The guideline is, if you can afford to own a car then you should be forced to use alternatives, whereas if you can't afford a car then you should be encouraged to drive.


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Posted 21 April 2012 - 04:46 AM

As David points out, this property, and others in the area, have been a consistent source of issues for the police. Many units are rented by the month already so it seems as though the only real change is to double the density of an already problematic development.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 07:12 AM

This is how downtown east side's are born. Fill one area of the city with a subset of the population and watch the area degrade year after year.

10 years from now politicians will be sitting around trying to figure out what went wrong.

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#14 David Bratzer

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 10:30 PM

This 55 unit rental building is now open. The outside looks nice and all the suites have been completely redone.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 01:01 PM

I think there is a discussion of low income housing in some forum.  this article shows that, while developers in London are required to provide low income housing in their development, they build separate "poor entrances" and limit access to amenities.  http://www.theguardi...on-london-flats



 



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