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#421 Mike K.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:41 AM

At least the majority of the worlds press is reporting the truth about Singapore ... that it was little more than a photo-op, with nothing of substance signed or promised by the NK's, but with Trump essentially giving away the farm in order to appear as if something was accomplished.

 

How can nothing of substance have been signed or promised, but Trump gave away the farm?


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#422 Rob Randall

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:01 AM

Un managed to get US involvement in the annual military exercises cancelled. Also he got treated like a rock star rather than a pariah. Lil' Kim's Q-Rating is way up. Both are long-sought goals. Also having the US lay off the pressure by showing (tricking?) the US that their facilities are being dismantled. Big wins for NK.

 

Now if NK launched another missile into the Sea of Japan this fall, around the time of the cancelled military exercise (with the US forces vacationing at home base)...well, that would be a diabolical move.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:10 AM

Un managed to get US involvement in the annual military exercises cancelled. Also he got treated like a rock star rather than a pariah. Lil' Kim's Q-Rating is way up. Both are long-sought goals. Also having the US lay off the pressure by showing (tricking?) the US that their facilities are being dismantled. Big wins for NK.

 

Now if NK launched another missile into the Sea of Japan this fall, around the time of the cancelled military exercise (with the US forces vacationing at home base)...well, that would be a diabolical move.

 

How long would it take to reestablished the maneuvers?

 

I remember the exact same arguments 20+ years ago with China. Now China is on the verge of having the world's largest economy and countries have to enact restrictive trade and ownership laws just so their own citizens can still afford a place to live and have a local company to work for. It must have really sucked to be Chinese these past couple of decades! 


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:17 AM

From what I can tell, NK has not launched a missile or conducted a nuclear test since the meeting with Trump was announced. Hard to say that that is nothing.

The lack of testing has everything to do with the fact that their entire nuclear testing facility basically collapsed in on itself, thus preventing any further testing.

The stoppage in testing has nothing to do with Trump.

 

As for missile launches, it's fairly well established that the data the NK's received from their previous series of tests was more than sufficient for their purposes.

 

Regardless, the nuclear development and missile testing already accomplished it's primary purpose ... which was to oblige a meeting with a sitting U.S. President. 



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:21 AM

How long would it take to reestablished the maneuvers?

 

Thing is, they're still not officially called off. Doing so involves a formal request--a simple Trump tweet is not enough to halt the plan. Tens of thousands of personnel are involved, huge amounts of logistics. They can't stop and start it on a dime.

 

This bizarre exchange with a top official is worrying. Why are US officials angry?

 

Reporter: “The president said [de-nuclearization] will be verified.”

 

Secretary of State: Pompeo: “Of course it will.”

 

Q: "Can you tell us a little bit more about--what is, what discussed about how?"

 

Pompeo: “Just so you know, you could ask me this, I find that question insulting & ridiculous & frankly ludicrous.”

 


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:22 AM

How can nothing of substance have been signed or promised, but Trump gave away the farm?

I guess it all depends on how much value you put in Trumps spoken word ... but by promising an end to all joint American/SK war games, Trump has essentially given to the NK's one of the primary things they've been after since the end of the Korean War ... which is the Americans either de-toothed on the Korean Peninsula, or (better yet as far as the NK's are concerned) gone altogether.



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:27 AM

Did he say they would end the war games now, or not until after denuclearization is confirmed.



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:33 AM

Did he say they would end the war games now, or not until after denuclearization is confirmed.

Trumps quote:

 

“We will be stopping the war games which will save us a tremendous amount of money, unless and until we see the future negotiation is not going along like it should. But we’ll be saving a tremendous amount of money, plus I think it’s very provocative,” Trump said.



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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:34 AM

Did he say they would end the war games now, or not until after denuclearization is confirmed.

 

Does it really matter what he says? He changes his mind or is undermined / contradicted by his minions every 48 hours. 


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#430 Rob Randall

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:34 AM

Did he say they would end the war games now, or not until after denuclearization is confirmed.

 

When you find out, could you inform the Pentagon, because they would really like to know, too.


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#431 Mike K.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 11:46 AM

A caller in to CFAX this morning provided perhaps the best analysis I’ve come across thus far.

To paraphrase the individual, he said the Americans are quietly waging war on China. Their coziness before North Korea is one major step in an effort to destabilize China’s expansion and sphere of influence in that part of the world and maintain US-backed superiority among nations like South Korea, Japan and Taiwan that are growing increasingly concerned over a more powerful and resource hungry China.

The back and forth over what Trump said or didn’t say is more or less irrelevant. What is relevant is American protectionism and it’s economic war with China that’s been playing out and which has gained traction under a Republican administration, and the pursuit of North Korean resources.

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#432 Wayne

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:49 PM

Trump Hotels in North Korea?

 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 05:18 PM

A caller in to CFAX this morning provided perhaps the best analysis I’ve come across thus far.

To paraphrase the individual, he said the Americans are quietly waging war on China. Their coziness before North Korea is one major step in an effort to destabilize China’s expansion and sphere of influence in that part of the world and maintain US-backed superiority among nations like South Korea, Japan and Taiwan that are growing increasingly concerned over a more powerful and resource hungry China.

The back and forth over what Trump said or didn’t say is more or less irrelevant. What is relevant is American protectionism and it’s economic war with China that’s been playing out and which has gained traction under a Republican administration, and the pursuit of North Korean resources.


That's sort of what I thought. It's another market for McDonalds & Starbucks, Halliburton could get cost-plus contracts to build their infrastructure, North Korean farmers could use Monsanto seeds & risk violating some intellectual-property clause in some "free-trade" agreement if they don't, obviously there would be military bases there for many decades sort of like okinawa & needless to say CIA & NSA eavesdropping facilities.... or the country could descend into civil war like Syria or Libya, which wouldn't be a bad thing either since it doesn't just border china but it's just a few hundred kilometres from beijing, and why could china want that kind of instability right there? a major bonus is that russia's pacific fleet is at vladivostok also. either way if you care about american (corporate) interests, what trump is doing couldn't be a bad thing.

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#434 Mike K.

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:59 PM

As opposed to what, though? That same thing except with China at the helm?


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#435 Gary H

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:59 PM

...  Will denuclearization be achieved?

 

It already has - "there is no longer a Nuclear threat from North Korea", "sleep well tonight!"   :) 

 

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:12 PM

Kim Jong Un has Trump right where he wants him ;)


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#437 amor de cosmos

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:07 AM

pretty much the deal that noam chomsky describes here, which President Nobel Peace Prize turned down:

https://youtu.be/UqFnnoM-ttU

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 08:12 AM

pretty much the deal that noam chomsky describes here, which President Nobel Peace Prize turned down:

https://youtu.be/UqFnnoM-ttU

The left in 2017:  WAAAAH DRUMPF IS GOING TO ATTACK NORTH KOREA!!!

 

The left in 2018:  WAAAAH DRUMPF ISN'T GOING TO ATTACK NORTH KOREA!!!



#439 amor de cosmos

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 10:42 AM

when you say 'left' who are you referring to?

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 02:46 PM

when you say 'left' who are you referring to?

 

Ok, I'll rephrase that as anti-trumpers.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/pl...y/1256572995762

 

Reporter asks Trump why he is defending Kim's human rights record, he responds "Because I don't want to see a nuclear weapon destroy you and your family"

 You gotta admit, that's a pretty good response.

 

And why didn't they ask Bush or Obama about Saudi arabia's or Iran's or even Israel's human rights records for that matter?  And I realize some may have, but generally not and not the more mainstream media.



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