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#461 Benezet

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 01:32 PM

Behind-the-scenes drama at the summit:

https://www.washingt...e569_story.html

#462 jonny

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 06:57 PM

Ah, gotcha, better just keep bombing them and sending millions of them into Europe then.


In hindsight, we should have left them alone and the dictators in charge.

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#463 Benezet

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 11:13 AM

Just a little something by Robert Fulford from a few years ago, about what happened at a previous meeting between a dictator and a president (and a PM). Food for thought in regard to Kim and Trump.

http://www.robertful...nversation.html

Quote: Winston Churchill was as naive as Roosevelt. After his first meeting with Stalin he said, "I like him the more I see him." He felt that if he could only dine with Stalin once a week, there would be no trouble.

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#464 Mike K.

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 04:52 PM

Churchill and Roosevelt couldn’t crawl up Stalin’s you know what far enough. Without him they’d have lost a war.

You can’t compare the situation in the 1940’s between the West and Russia to the DPRK in 2018. The two are completely different scenarios and involve widely different spheres of influences.

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#465 rjag

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Posted 23 June 2018 - 07:25 PM

Churchill and Roosevelt couldn’t crawl up Stalin’s you know what far enough. Without him they’d have lost a war.

You can’t compare the situation in the 1940’s between the West and Russia to the DPRK in 2018. The two are completely different scenarios and involve widely different spheres of influences.

 

And yet Churchill warned everyone about the Soviet Union after the war. He was willing to work with Stalin to defeat Hitler, but while this was taking place he and the Americans were actively working to ensure all the German research talent went West.

 

 https://learning.blo...t-iron-curtain/

 

https://www.icij.org...ut-moscow-bomb/

 

 

 

Winston didn’t waver, however, for his true feelings against the Soviets were even stronger than his Fulton rhetoric. Since the 1917 Russian Revolution, he felt Lenin’s Bolsheviks were extremists, intent on a dictatorship that did not recognize God , property rights, or human freedom. “The strangling of Bolshevism at its birth would have been an untold blessing to the human race,” Churchill declared. He’d made similar comments throughout his career. “Bolshevism is not a policy; it is a disease,” he railed. “It is not a creed; it is a pestilence.” In comparing Stalin’s Soviet Empire to the defeated Axis powers, Churchill wondered if the Anglo-American alliance had simply replaced one great evil with another.


#466 Mike K.

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Posted 24 June 2018 - 08:03 AM

Oh, conniving they were, for sure.

They even sacrificed the Poles who fought on behalf of the British while their government was in exile in London just to safely crawl back out of Stalin’s you know what.

I’m any case, the DPRK has returned the bodies of 200 US soldiers back home.

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#467 Bingo

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 01:13 PM

WASHINGTON — North Korea continues to make improvements to a major nuclear facility, raising questions about President Donald Trump's claim that Kim Jong Un has agreed to disarm, independent experts tell NBC News.

New satellite images made public by 38north, a web site devoted to analyzing North Korea, show that "improvements to the infrastructure at North Korea's Yongbyon Nuclear Scientific Research Center are continuing at a rapid pace," three 38north analysts concluded in a paper.

https://www.nbcnews....h-center-n88705



#468 Cassidy

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Posted 27 June 2018 - 01:46 PM

Kim played Trump like a violin.

Trump was so far out of his league, completely outclassed politically , and taken advantage of by Kim at every turn - Kim recognized early on that Trumps unbridled ego was NK's greatest asset.

 

Trump wanted to meet Kim not because he wanted to negotiate with him ... but because he holds a great admiration for him as a political leader.

 

That Trump effectively put the SK's and the Americans on a peace footing with the NK's ... all the while with the NK's remaining on a war footing with the SK's and the Americans simply proves Trump is a political and military neophyte.

 

That this same Trump will now select two Supreme Court Justices will hopefully teach Americans that it is to their great folly (and the the greatest threat to the Republic itself) if they screw around at the ballot box in order to demonstrate dissatisfaction with the status quo of any political party through the demonstrative electing of fringe fools and common clowns.


Edited by Cassidy, 27 June 2018 - 02:01 PM.


#469 Bingo

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 05:34 PM

Kim Jong Un has Trump right where he wants him ;)

 

Seems that way.

 

Washington (CNN)New commercial satellite images released Monday have identified more than a dozen undeclared North Korean missile operating bases, another sign that Pyongyang is continuing to move forward with its ballistic missile program amid indications that talks with the US have stalled in recent months.While the network of undeclared sites has long been known to American intelligence agencies, it has not been publicly acknowledged by President Donald Trump, who asserted that North Korea was "no longer a nuclear threat" following his June summit with dictator Kim Jong Un.US intelligence has long assessed that the North Koreans have stored much of their weapons capability, including mobile missile launchers, in underground mountain bunkers.Specifically, the images focus on the Sakkanmol missile base, which "currently houses a unit equipped with short-range ballistic missiles but could easily accommodate more capable medium-range ballistic warheads."https://www.cnn.com/...ases/index.html


#470 AllseeingEye

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 05:59 PM

/\....yup and absolutely Zero surprise to anyone who studies strategic matters and particularly North Korea. There is (or was) only one scenario in which I could ever foresee NK giving up their nukes, albeit reluctantly, and that would have occurred only when and if China decided put the hammer down and attach a very short leash to this dog. And since China has Great Power-Global aspirations of its own it currently has little incentive to do so in any meaningful sense. Any thorn - diplomatic, economic or military - in the side of the US of A is by definition (generally) a good thing from a Chinese standpoint.


Edited by AllseeingEye, 12 November 2018 - 06:00 PM.


#471 Cassidy

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Posted 12 November 2018 - 06:21 PM

But Trump told us that Kim was his friend, in fact that they were "in love"

“And then we fell in love — OK? No really. He wrote me beautiful letters and they’re great letters. We fell in love,” Trump told the crowd.

 

And then Trump said that he had personally made the world a safe place to sleep in again.

"Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office," Trump tweeted as he arrived back in Washington. "There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea."


Edited by Cassidy, 12 November 2018 - 06:23 PM.


#472 Cassidy

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 09:33 AM

Trump says his "talent" has told him that the NK's want to make a deal:

"I just feel very strongly, my instinct, my ability or talent, they want to make a deal,"

 

Trump says there's no more testing taking place in NK (and he used exclamation marks to make sure we understand him):

"The World has taken a big step back from potential Nuclear catastrophe! No more rocket launches, nuclear testing or research!"

 

Trump also assures us that the NK sites have been "blown up", so the current news must be wrong:

"Sites have been blown up, where they had the testing."

 

Somebody has something wrong, because Trump says:

"There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea."

 

This current reporting doesn't jive with Trump saying there's essentially a preliminary peace agreement in place:

"I have solved that problem. Now, we're getting it memorialized and all, but that problem is largely solved, and part of the reason is we signed, number one, a very good document."

 

 

There are really only three options that would explain the above discrepancies:

  1. Trump is a liar.
  2. Trump doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.
  3. The current reporting about hidden North Korean bases is false, fake news as it were.

 

I wonder which one of the above is the correct answer?


Edited by Cassidy, 13 November 2018 - 09:34 AM.


#473 North Shore

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 09:58 AM

oh, oh, oh! #2!  #2!


Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?

 



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