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#41 North Shore

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 10:37 AM

^ Yes, indeed.  No fake news here, thankfully!


Say, what's that mountain goat doing up here in the mist?

#42 todd

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 12:19 PM

Thankfully we have the supreme leader! 



#43 RFS

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 12:37 PM

yeah, you can't fool Canadians! *turns on CBC to listen to neo-liberal establishment call Trump supporters and conservatives fascists and nazis when in fact they are the proletariat and the hybrid driving, iphone using, starbucks drinking "socialists" are the definition of bourgoise who vote for corrupt, globalist, corporate lackey politicians as long as they virtue signal about refugees and transgendered bathrooms on a regular basis"

#44 todd

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 12:57 PM

Thankfully we have VV with supreme moderators!!



#45 AllseeingEye

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 05:43 PM

The US obviously sending a pretty clear message to the Korean Fat Man-Boy child leader today: "...you're crappy impotent missiles flame out almost upon launch while we can rub out your grotty little society from 5000 kms++ away any time we are so inclined. Put that in your pipe and contemplate it Kim-san" :

 

http://www.cnn.com/v...uth-pacific.hln

 

Purely as an aside note ex-CHEK alumnus Michaela Perriera reporting the story.....



#46 sdwright.vic

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 06:19 PM

^^^Ya know... strange rhetoric and random messaging is not just the hallmark of one infamous VV poster but two.

It's like listening to Christians claim that gays shouldn't use the Rainbow because God made it for them. That only works if you believe in God.

Edited by sdwright.vic, 26 April 2017 - 06:20 PM.

Predictive text and a tiny keyboard are not my friends!

#47 On the Level

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 09:45 PM

The US obviously sending a pretty clear message to the Korean Fat Man-Boy child leader today: "...you're crappy impotent missiles flame out almost upon launch while we can rub out your grotty little society from 5000 kms++ away any time we are so inclined. Put that in your pipe and contemplate it Kim-san" :

 

http://www.cnn.com/v...uth-pacific.hln

 

Purely as an aside note ex-CHEK alumnus Michaela Perriera reporting the story.....

 

So the US was dragged very late kicking and screaming into WW1 and WW2 ......after the combatants were bludgeoned and bruised.  Exactly which war (not battle) have they won since?  Korea?  Vietnam?  Iraq?  Afghanistan? 

 

What makes us think N Korea would be any different?  They can't Nuke Pyongyang without radiation issues with China and S. Korea (as well as the rest of the world)

 

I'm not sure what the solution is.....it's not easy....but the "Fat Man-Boy" response only makes us feel good.


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#48 nerka

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Posted 26 April 2017 - 10:36 PM

Joint Statement by Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, Secretary of Defense James Mattis, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats

https://www.state.go...7/04/270464.htm

 

"The President’s approach aims to pressure North Korea into dismantling its nuclear, ballistic missile, and proliferation programs by tightening economic sanctions and pursuing diplomatic measures with our Allies and regional partners."

 

So in other words steady as she goes. This statement could just as easily have been put out under Obama.



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Posted 26 April 2017 - 10:58 PM

So the US was dragged very late kicking and screaming into WW1 and WW2 ......after the combatants were bludgeoned and bruised.  Exactly which war (not battle) have they won since?  Korea?  Vietnam?  Iraq?  Afghanistan? 

 

What makes us think N Korea would be any different?  They can't Nuke Pyongyang without radiation issues with China and S. Korea (as well as the rest of the world)

 

I'm not sure what the solution is.....it's not easy....but the "Fat Man-Boy" response only makes us feel good.

No idea what you're on about - I never suggested, implied, inferred or stated that the US would or should "nuke" the NK or anyone else.

 

Contrarily I should think the meaning was pretty plain in light of repeated NK missile failures - poking the American nuclear bear certainly is in no one's best interest, and certainly its not in the best interest's of the poor wretched people of NK who have to live under that morally bankrupt, perverse regime headed by Fat Boy, the sadistic man-child with the bad haircut and the the loftily anointed title of "Great Leader Born of Heaven".

 

America has 3/4 of  century head start on nuclear weapons therefore I think its quite reasonable to assume in any real conflict NK would be just "slightly" over-matched....

 

Therefore perhaps for the sake of everyone on the Korean Peninsula the Chinese Lap Dog should devote more of his nation's effort at growing crops and rice so they can - you know - actually feed their people, and devote less state resources on perfecting a weapon that if they ever used it would end very, very badly for them indeed....


Edited by AllseeingEye, 26 April 2017 - 10:59 PM.


#50 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:11 AM

One thing though.  N. Korea has a 1 million man army.  If they want to, they can march right over the DMZ and kill 30,000 Americans in the process.  In just one or two days.  That would not be good.


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#51 jonny

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:21 AM

What nobody has ever been able to explain to me is exactly what in the hell North Korea has been trying to achieve all these years. Reunification with South Korea under socialist control? Is the never ending spectre of impending nuclear war with the South and Americans simply how Kim maintains control? Or is Kim simply crazy and illogical.



#52 nerka

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:26 AM

What nobody has ever been able to explain to me is exactly what in the hell North Korea has been trying to achieve all these years. Reunification with South Korea under socialist control? Is the never ending spectre of impending nuclear war with the South and Americans simply how Kim maintains control? Or is Kim simply crazy and illogical.

Stay in power!

Somewhat crazy but not illogical. Constant war paranoia helps the regime stay in control.  You don't have to go nearly as far as the DPRK to see governments whipping up fear of external enemies for their own benefit


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#53 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 08:30 AM

You don't have to go nearly as far as the DPRK to see governments whipping up fear of external enemies for their own benefit

 

Just slide over to Quebec to see same.


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#54 johnk

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 10:35 AM

Kim has people over a barrel. His nukes may be primitive compared to Trumpf's toys BUT they are within 100km of Seoul,
pop. 12 million and a major driver of the world's 10th biggest economy.
Even if Trumpf lost his cookies and pushed the button, Kim would need only one minute to push his and effectively destroy Seoul and much of S. Korea, not to mention side effects in China, Japan and maybe Russia.
Invading by land or sea is a big, highly visible undertaking no matter if China or the US attempt it.
Again, Kim would have time and IMO is crazy enough to take everyone down in a mushroom cloud.
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#55 Bingo

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:16 AM

On 1 June 2017, Fitzgerald, operating out of Yokosuka Naval Base, was noted for participating in routine exercises with Japan that were described in the media as a show of force to North Korea. She sailed with the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan, the cruiser Shiloh and the destroyers BarryMcCampbell, and Mustin, joined by the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson, cruiser Lake Champlain and destroyers Wayne E. Meyer and Michael Murphy, and Japanese ships Hyūga and Ashigara.

 

In early April 2004, it was announced that Fitzgerald would be one of fifteen destroyers and three cruisers that would be deployed to counter ballistic missile threats worldwide.

https://en.wikipedia.../USS_Fitzgerald

 



#56 Rob Randall

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 11:25 AM

45 minutes ago, Trump says:

 

While I greatly appreciate the efforts of President Xi & China to help with North Korea, it has not worked out. At least I know China tried!

 

...and the rest of the world is freaking out a little trying to figure out what he means.


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#57 AllseeingEye

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:17 PM

/\.....of course sensational headlines in ALL CAPS FONT such as the following gem from scandal rags like the Sun - touting "Don's Revenge" in spite of the fact the US President can no more arbitrarily declare war on Kim Jong-Un's regime than can you or I - do little in terms of providing a thoughtful and level headed analysis:

 

https://www.thesun.c...rs-kim-jong-un/

 

Furthermore I have no idea what a NUCLEAR BOMBER is (I presume it is the same thing as a jet bomber, unless I missed the story and USAF aircraft are now powered by nuclear propulsion engines?) but what I do know is that nuclear-armed US aircraft routinely patrol out of Guam and/or Diego Garcia in the general direction of the Korean Peninsula, and have done for decades. Ditto for USN and Japanese warships. Nothing new here.....



#58 Jason-L

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:26 PM

/\.....of course sensational headlines in ALL CAPS FONT such as the following gem from scandal rags like the Sun - touting "Don's Revenge" in spite of the fact the US President can no more arbitrarily declare war on Kim Jong-Un's regime than can you or I - do little in terms of providing a thoughtful and level headed analysis:

 

https://www.thesun.c...rs-kim-jong-un/

 

Furthermore I have no idea what a NUCLEAR BOMBER is (I presume it is the same thing as a jet bomber, unless I missed the story and USAF aircraft are now powered by nuclear propulsion engines?) but what I do know is that nuclear-armed US aircraft routinely patrol out of Guam and/or Diego Garcia in the general direction of the Korean Peninsula, and have done for decades. Ditto for USN and Japanese warships. Nothing new here.....

Nuclear bomber is the colloquial term for a bomber equipped with nuclear cruise missiles and bombs (such as the venerable B-52) - it's a term that was in common usage in the hey-days of the Cold War, so I can understand (assuming you're a young 'un) you deciding to treat it as a literal descriptor if you're not familiar.

 

As for Mr. Trump's ability to arbitrarily 'declare war', well, the President of the United States has often found ways to circumvent the requirement to declare war before doing military action (see Korea, Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, etc. etc.) in ways that you or I cannot... unless you have access to the military power of the US?



#59 AllseeingEye

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:46 PM

Nuclear bomber is the colloquial term for a bomber equipped with nuclear cruise missiles and bombs (such as the venerable B-52) - it's a term that was in common usage in the hey-days of the Cold War, so I can understand (assuming you're a young 'un) you deciding to treat it as a literal descriptor if you're not familiar.

 

As for Mr. Trump's ability to arbitrarily 'declare war', well, the President of the United States has often found ways to circumvent the requirement to declare war before doing military action (see Korea, Viet Nam, Panama, Grenada, etc. etc.) in ways that you or I cannot... unless you have access to the military power of the US?

Actually while I thank you kindly for reducing my age (oh if it were only that easy...both my bad back and hip would be eternally grateful), in fact I would bet the odds are pretty good that I am as old if not older than you are; you missed my point however which was, simply, that sensationalist headlines screaming NUCLEAR BOMBER or "DON'S REVENGE" do nothing to shed useful light on the situation, moreover NUCLEAR BOMBERS (although admittedly it does get the reader's attention),have been flying this pattern near the NK frontier since at least the inception of both the Guam and Diego Garcia military facilities respectively, the latter in active operation from the time I was still riding my tricycle in Gordon Head well over 50 years ago. As I said above there is nothing new in that story, which is clearly designed to incite apprehension, agitation and - oh yes - sell newspapers.



#60 johnk

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 12:58 PM

So the US was dragged very late kicking and screaming into WW1 and WW2 ......after the combatants were bludgeoned and bruised.  Exactly which war (not battle) have they won since?  Korea?  Vietnam?  Iraq?  Afghanistan? 
 
What makes us think N Korea would be any different?  They can't Nuke Pyongyang without radiation issues with China and S. Korea (as well as the rest of the world)
 
I'm not sure what the solution is.....it's not easy....but the "Fat Man-
Boy" response only makes us feel good.

Do not forget the triumphs over Grenada and Panama!

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