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[Brantastic]

As mentioned many times I am not against the bike lanes, but I am against what is a lopsided benefit for a few at the expense of the many. 

 

For example, nothing is more infuriating than being held up by a cyclist in the lane when there is a perfectly good bike lane for them to use.  It makes as much sense as deciding to walk down the bike lane yet somehow it has been normalized.  

That can be irritating, but most of the time I find there's a good reason for that person to be out of the bike lane that you don't know about unless you're the person cycling. Sometimes they need to take a left turn soon and the bike lane is on the far right side of the road. Sometimes it's more dangerous for them to cross several lanes of traffic to get into the bike lane if they need to soon cross several lanes of traffic again to get back into the far left lane. 

I know that there are occasionally people who don't use them for less valid reasons but I also don't see how that is an example of a lopsided benefit, nor is that a reason to perpetuate dangerous infrastructure for cyclists. By that logic we shouldn't build car lanes anymore because some people speed or don't come to a complete stop at stop signs. You could use the exact same argument for pedestrians. On most streets, cars outnumber pedestrians. Therefore, the presence of sidewalks is a benefit to the few at the expense of the many car drivers. That could be another lane for cars! How dare I have to wait a little longer at a pedestrian signal for one person to safely cross! 

If we want to talk about lopsided benefits of our infrastructure, consider the vast amounts of public space we give to the movement and storage of cars in the city. The AAA network, once completed, will hardly take a dent out of the amount of space we give to cars. On most of Pandora, Wharf, and Fort, two thirds to three quarters of the space is still dedicated to parking and lanes for cars, and those are pretty much the most bike-centric streets in the city. On most roads, cyclists get 0% and cars get 100%. That seems lop-sided to me. 
 

[rjag]

 On most of Pandora, Wharf, and Fort, two thirds to three quarters of the space is still dedicated to parking and lanes for cars, and those are pretty much the most bike-centric streets in the city.  
 

 

and those roads are some of the worst to navigate now. I was just on the 500 block Pandora and discovered that I can no longer turn right onto Store St. What a joke, my choice was to go over the bridge and turn around or cross over lanes of traffic and turn left and go back up to Govt and over to Herald and back down. Thats just stupid

Edited by rjag, 14 August 2020 - 12:03 PM.

[Brantastic]

You can still turn right onto Store Street, just not on a red light.

[marks_28]

As mentioned many times I am not against the bike lanes, but I am against what is a lopsided benefit for a few at the expense of the many. 

 

You're right, we should be spending proportionate amount of $ on bike infrastructure as the current modal share suggests, but sadly we are spending far less than that. For example, the Province is contributing just 0.5% of their provincial transportation budget on active transportation.

[Brantastic]

Yep. The province is spending more on a single passing lane on the highway coming out of Cranbrook than it’s spending on active transportation in the entire province. Ireland (not a country known for its bike infrastructure) spends about 61 times what B.C. spends on active transportation, at approximately the same population.

[Victoria Watcher]

bikes already have infrastructure. it’s called “the road”. they are welcome there.

when I grew up there were few bike lanes more cyclists and no higher accident rates.

[pennymurphy2000]

https://vancouverisl...yhU8A1M6KpVRdWU

 

Car crashed through Wharf Street bike lane this am. 

[Rob Randall]

 

That is the most Victorian traffic accident possible. I think the only thing that would make it better would be if a guy dropped a tray of crumpets.

[aastra]

 

That is the most Victorian traffic accident possible.

 

Not unless the car was being driven by a confused tourist.

[mbjj]

Crumpets are too British, don't you know, lol. That sort of thing is out of favour now.

[mbjj]

With no left turn being allowed from Cook onto Richardson the last few days due to repaving, we're getting a taste of how it will be once that is permanently disallowed. Very time-consuming and inconvenient to navigate those narrow sidestreets, lots of cars going both ways, having to pull into driveways to get past. I'm sure those residents will be thrilled when that is a daily feature.

[rjag]

With no left turn being allowed from Cook onto Richardson the last few days due to repaving, we're getting a taste of how it will be once that is permanently disallowed. Very time-consuming and inconvenient to navigate those narrow sidestreets, lots of cars going both ways, having to pull into driveways to get past. I'm sure those residents will be thrilled when that is a daily feature.

 

Yup, I got caught in it today. Linden was busy as a result 

[GaryOak]

https://youtu.be/RxF8VwfNT-o

[GaryOak]

possible jubilee area AAA bike lanes

[Nparker]

possible jubilee area AAA bike lanes

Will be perfect for cardiac rehabilitation.

[rjag]

possible jubilee area AAA bike lanes

 

Oh FFS, the frigging City is going to be in a major debt crisis this next year and they just keep pushing forward their agenda as if its business as usual. I wonder how much less the gas tax transfer is? We know parking revenues are down close to a $million a month isnt it? 

[Mike K.]

BC transit is projecting a gas tax revenue reduction of 40% in 2020.

[Nparker]

Every decision the CoV makes is entirely driven by ideology, without any measure of common sense.

[Ismo07]

Oh FFS, the frigging City is going to be in a major debt crisis this next year and they just keep pushing forward their agenda as if its business as usual. I wonder how much less the gas tax transfer is? We know parking revenues are down close to a $million a month isnt it? 

 

Although projections in March suggested revenue would be down by over a million $ a month, recovery was better than expected and only April/May saw that kind of loss, revenue loss is down to about $600k and decreasing.  The majority of the loss will mostly reduce the transfer into Parking Reserve.  Still not great news but not far off the revenues from about 3-4 years ago.  Still improving however at this time.

 

 

Every decision the CoV makes is entirely driven by ideology, without any measure of common sense.

 

Hey!!! 

Edited by Ismo07, 03 September 2020 - 08:48 AM.

[Nparker]

Every decision the CoV makes is entirely driven by ideology, without any measure of common sense.

...Hey!!! 

I don't blame the bureaucrats for having to implement the idiotic decisions of council.