134 replies to this topic

[Coreyburger]

If Metro refuses access to their park and then the province/contractors go in anyway, what then? Does the province go ahead anyway? I doubt this will happen, but it is an interesting through process to follow, given the jurisdictional mess that would likely follow.

[Bernard]

The land could very well already be owned by the province, certainly the are where the tunnel is owned by the province.   If there is enough land owned by the province, no problem

 

There is land owned by Metro Vancouver that might be needed, the province can simply expropriate the land they need.   

 

Pink on the map is municipally owned

 

[Coreyburger]

The land could very well already be owned by the province, certainly the are where the tunnel is owned by the province.   If there is enough land owned by the province, no problem

 

There is land owned by Metro Vancouver that might be needed, the province can simply expropriate the land they need.   

 

Pink on the map is municipally owned

 

The province absolutely can expropriate it. Whether they will is another matter, especially as most of that land is currently in a park.

[insanelydeadlydisease]

One thing I've noticed and maybe I'm out to lunch here is that road construction quality has gone downhill big time. Take the south Fraser perimeter road for example. Just terrible engineering on there corners, bumps all over the place etc. The malahat paving job same deal. Just a general sense that these projects are always junk.

[LJ]

One thing I've noticed and maybe I'm out to lunch here is that road construction quality has gone downhill big time. Take the south Fraser perimeter road for example. Just terrible engineering on there corners, bumps all over the place etc. The malahat paving job same deal. Just a general sense that these projects are always junk.

I mentioned that perimeter road to a couple of guys who drove it a couple of weeks ago, they said it was great. I drove it a year or so ago and it was anything but. The camber on some of the intersections is all wrong causing trucks to overturn. Maybe they re-engineered it. 

[lanforod]

I do recall seeing news about redoing a lot of the intersections. For cars, it IS great, and the speed limit is too low. For trucks, I dunno.

 

The Port Mann / Hwy 1 project went well and seems well engineered.

[nagel]

I do recall seeing news about redoing a lot of the intersections. For cars, it IS great, and the speed limit is too low. For trucks, I dunno.

 

The Port Mann / Hwy 1 project went well and seems well engineered.

Not well from a financing point of view of course.  That's the real concern with Massey is it will be another debt mound that will need to be folded into provincial debt.

[lanforod]

Not well from a financing point of view of course.  That's the real concern with Massey is it will be another debt mound that will need to be folded into provincial debt.

 

The amount of money it's saving people (less the toll if using the bridge), isn't insignificant. Especially for trucks. Is there ever rush hour traffic jams there now?

[nagel]

The amount of money it's saving people (less the toll if using the bridge), isn't insignificant. Especially for trucks. Is there ever rush hour traffic jams there now?

I wasn't talking about the "overall benefit" or time saved.  The financing is a lie.  Both bridges are supposed to be 100% paid for by tolls, and that's clearly not happening.

[Mike K.]

Once the Massey is replaced with a toll bridge that will leave Annacis and Pattullo as the only free crossings, which means more drivers will be forced to pay tolls. As long as there are options people will use them to avoid tolls.

[Bingo]

One thing I've noticed and maybe I'm out to lunch here is that road construction quality has gone downhill big time. Take the south Fraser perimeter road for example.

Just terrible engineering on there corners, bumps all over the place etc. The Malahat paving job same deal. Just a general sense that these projects are always junk.

 

Sometimes all that is required are new shock absorbers and tires.

[sebberry]

Sometimes all that is required are new shock absorbers and tires.

And sometimes that just makes it worse...

[Bingo]

And sometimes that just makes it worse...

 

Dang those Datsuns!  

[jonny]

One thing I've noticed and maybe I'm out to lunch here is that road construction quality has gone downhill big time. Take the south Fraser perimeter road for example. Just terrible engineering on there corners, bumps all over the place etc. The malahat paving job same deal. Just a general sense that these projects are always junk.

 

What gets me is when you see sections of highway that are more tar snake than asphalt.

 

I also love around town with all of the water main replacements we have had where they repave 75% of the street but for some reason leave an old strip of cracked and wavy pavement right down the middle or along the shoulder. WTF? That just doesn't pass the common sense test. 

 

Which reminds me, some of the patch jobs I have seen around town are downright laughable. Sections of Quadra look like me and a gaggle of fourth graders did the repair work.

[AllseeingEye]

I mentioned that perimeter road to a couple of guys who drove it a couple of weeks ago, they said it was great. I drove it a year or so ago and it was anything but. The camber on some of the intersections is all wrong causing trucks to overturn. Maybe they re-engineered it. 

Yep I drove it routinely for over a year after its inception; it was fine if driving a car but I remember some major roll overs with semis during the first few weeks after the FPHwy initially opened. Its a great outlet for a 'back door' escape to BCF @ Tsawwassen - our office at the time was in East Richmond so a quick trip over the Alex Fraser Bridge then turning onto the Perimeter Hwy was infinitely preferable to the more direct route heading west along Westminster Hwy and merging onto the rush hour going show on Hwy 99 South. That all said unless its been worked on in the last 12 months I agree the FPHwy route could use some remedial work....

[LJ]

What gets me is when you see sections of highway that are more tar snake than asphalt.

 

 

Tar snake, I had never heard that description before but I immediately knew what you were talking about.

Most muni's are OK but some don't sand after doing the crack sealing and that can make it an adventure when you are going around a corner on a motorcycle.

[VicHockeyFan]

So is any replacement for the Massey Tunnel now dead?

[lanforod]

Sure sounds like it. Seems like that is a political mistake, as everyone stuck in that traffic every day will be reminded daily that the Liberals would be partway done a new bridge already.

[VicHockeyFan]

Sure sounds like it. Seems like that is a political mistake, as everyone stuck in that traffic every day will be reminded daily that the Liberals would be partway done a new bridge already.

 

I guess it's made more difficult with the NDP removing bridge tolls.

[lanforod]

26 billion in infrastructure announced... surely they could have found 1.5 billion in there for a Massey bridge, particularly since much of the design work etc. is likely done already.