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#521 RFS

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 06:43 AM

From the article itself (and also from the CBS article):

“There is no indication that Hussain was directed by ISIS to carry out the attack. ”

So, where did you learn that ISIS has claimed responsibility?


https://www.reuters....q-idUSKBN1KF171

#522 Benezet

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:09 AM

https://www.reuters....q-idUSKBN1KF171


Thanks, that is a claim.

#523 lanforod

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:24 AM

Why are some folks here so eager to put the benefit of the doubt on a murderer?


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#524 Mike K.

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:26 AM

Toronto is actually below the national average for violent crime. It has high absolute numbers, but it also has a huge proportion of the population. It's Winnipeg that leads the country in terms of rate of violent crime. Of course, statistics only represent reported crime.

 

Larger cities are always below the average number just due to the sheer volume of people, but the actual severity of the crime is off the charts for a Canadian city.

 

Toronto has a homicide rate higher than New York City, believe it or not. 58 people have been murdered in Toronto so far this year.

 

""So yes — Toronto is slightly higher than NYC," says Wortley. "However, these homicide rates are far lower than other major U.S. and Canadian cities." - https://www.blogto.c...igher-new-york/


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#525 RFS

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:38 AM

Why are some folks here so eager to put the benefit of the doubt on a murderer?

That's exactly what I am saying.  Apparently I am being wildly conspiratorial, but some posters here have the blinders on and heels dug in hard within hours of a shooting, refusing to believe that he could be anything other than the mentally ill lone wolf CBC and the family's professional PR firm who specializes in reframing radical islam says he is.  


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#526 Jackerbie

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:42 AM

Toronto Police have not ruled out terrorism as a motive, but they have said that there is currently no evidence to support claims that ISIS is involved in any way.



#527 lanforod

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:44 AM

Toronto Police have not ruled out terrorism as a motive, but they have said that there is currently no evidence to support claims that ISIS is involved in any way.

Sure, but at the start of an investigation there is always no evidence!



#528 Benezet

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 07:56 AM

Sure, but at the start of an investigation there is always no evidence!


Precisely. So let’s wait and see what comes to light.

#529 jonny

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 09:47 AM

Toronto has a homicide rate higher than New York City, believe it or not. 58 people have been murdered in Toronto so far this year.

 

Which should be taken with a grain of salt (New York is in fact doing exceptionally well). It's slightly higher than New York city's, but far lower than many cities. Winnipeg and Regina have higher murder rates than Toronto. Toronto's murder rate is much lower than virtually all major US cities. What does that really tell us?



#530 Mike K.

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 10:06 AM

What that tells us is gun controlled, well mannered, “Canadian” Toronto is facing the same struggles with hardcore criminality as is New York City.

58 murders so far this year. 58. And that’s supposed to make us all proud of our largest city because Winnipeg has a higher rate of crime?

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#531 SgtNeonPanda

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Posted 25 July 2018 - 11:31 PM

Why are some folks here so eager to put the benefit of the doubt on a murderer?

Because all evidence so far supports the claim of mental illness to be true, while those who believe its Islamic terrorism have nothing more to go on than the origin of his name. 


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#532 Mike K.

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 06:23 AM

Mental health issues do not excuse a terrorist act.

He went on a shooting rampage. He visited pro-terrorism resources online and the style with which he conducted the attack was as so many acts of terrorism have been.

Both sides in this debate are equally guilty of immediately labelling or discounting this horrific act, but the fact that there is debate before any tangible evidence is revealed just shows both sides have their talking points locked and loaded long before anything is proven.


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#533 Jason-L

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 07:59 AM

Mental health issues do not excuse a terrorist act.

He went on a shooting rampage. He visited pro-terrorism resources online and the style with which he conducted the attack was as so many acts of terrorism have been.

Both sides in this debate are equally guilty of immediately labelling or discounting this horrific act, but the fact that there is debate before any tangible evidence is revealed just shows both sides have their talking points locked and loaded long before anything is proven.

Unless you're a white male.  Then mental illness is the only explanation.



#534 RFS

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Posted 26 July 2018 - 08:00 AM

Unless you're a white male.  Then mental illness is the only explanation.

It is literally the opposite.  If its a white male, within hours CBC is speculating about misogyny, white supremacy, etc etc.  If its a muslim, they accept the family's professional PR statement wholesale and refuse to even report developments that indicate there may be more to the story.



#535 Mike K.

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Posted 01 August 2018 - 09:38 AM

National Post is reporting Greektown shooter Faisal Hussain’s older brother Fahad had been charged with trafficking cocaine in Saskatoon in 2015. The case was moved to Ontario and he had intended to plead guilty, but has since overdosed and is in an unresponsive state. His trial has been terminated.

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#536 SimonH

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 05:24 AM

National Post is reporting Greektown shooter Faisal Hussain’s older brother Fahad had been charged with trafficking cocaine in Saskatoon in 2015. The case was moved to Ontario and he had intended to plead guilty, but has since overdosed and is in an unresponsive state. His trial has been terminated.

Guilty, overdosed, unresponsive and terminated.Sounds like a bad week for him.


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#537 AllseeingEye

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Posted 02 August 2018 - 11:37 AM

For the authoritative perspective on "Canadian" terrorism I rarely if ever deviate from my go-to source, one Phil Gurski, ex-CSIS strategic analyst who has all told over 30 years experience of intelligence matters with CSIS, the OPP and a few other orgs I won't mention, specifically regarding terrorist acts committed by Canadians/non-Canadians on Canadian soil, or otherwise - essentially the guy knows anything and everything to do with virtually any terrorist act with a Canadian connection going back to 1960.

 

I attended a seminar or three given by him earlier in his career and also met him during our student days; aside from being ridiculously knowledgeable about the subject he is a good egg to boot. Currently he is the President and CEO of Borealis Threat and Risk Consultinghttp://www.borealisthreatandrisk.com/

 

He is also a principal non-academic affiliate with the Canadian Network for Research on Terrorism, Security and Society ("TSAS" for short). For those eager VV beavers who are dying to know the "who, what, when & where" of terrorist incidents specifically involving Canada here is a link to the TSARS "Canadian Incident Database" (CIDB), the stated purpose of which is:

 

".....to provide unclassified information to national security researchers, which can be used to identify patterns and trends in order to improve our understanding of terrorism and extremist crime in Canada. The CIDB was developed under the National Security Data Initiative (NSDI) of the Canadian Safety and Security Program (CSSP)...."

 

Happy surfing - http://extremism.ca/


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