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#21 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 03:38 PM

Are they going to tell us it's ok to mix for now?


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 03:41 PM

Are they going to tell us it's ok to mix for now?  I agree with Holden, it's a bit comedy.


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 04:01 PM

Why don't we just grind up the kitchen scraps and flush them down the toilet, where upon it will end up as sludge on its way to the Hartland dump. Problem solved. :banana:


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#24 Mike K.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

Who knew we'd end up with a garbage chute in our bathrooms :)

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 06:14 AM

The Hartland Landfill

 

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 07:29 AM

When its 'full' it becomes residential?



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 12:26 PM

Frank Leonard is managing to be extra asshole-ish (even for him) about this on his Twitter account (hahaaha guys! Saanich has it's own compost contract victoria sux!!).


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:16 PM

....(hahaaha guys! Saanich has it's own compost contract victoria sux!!).

Is that a direct quote from Leonard? If so, it is exceptionally unprofessional for someone who gets the honourific of "your worship". This man is dead wood and long past his "best before" date. Term limits NOW!



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Posted 28 March 2014 - 01:46 PM

No, ZGsta is joking. But Leonard did give Ben Isitt a spanking in today's paper.

 

Leonard said it appeared Isitt was “trying to cover his own tracks,” given he was a key player in seeing the Emterra contract rejected by the CRD committee. 

 

“He was instrumental in the decision to put compost in the landfill and rather than stand up and try to give some rationale, he’s like a magician. He’s trying to distract with all these other comments and motions,” Leonard said.  “Perhaps people like their politicians to be magicians, but I think the people like what Saanich is doing, and that’s making sure that compost is composted.”  Leonard said as soon as news of the CRD committee’s decision broke, Saanich’s greener garbage hotline was inundated with callers who said they wouldn’t separate food scraps from garbage if it was going to be landfilled.

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See more at: http://www.timescolo...ndfill-1.931424

 

 

Heh heh.


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Posted 28 March 2014 - 06:12 PM

When its 'full' it becomes residential?

It's too risky for that because of the toxic materials that may be buried there.



#31 Mike K.

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Posted 28 March 2014 - 06:31 PM

Saanich Mayor Frank Leonard had very strong words for Victoria councillor Ben Isitt, calling him a "magician" for his recent statements regarding the food scraps issue, while suggesting Saanich made the right decisions and Victoria fumbled the ball, but how much did Victoria's decisions and actions impact decisions made by Saanich? There's nothing wrong with learning from someone's mistakes but the finger pointing seems a little inappropriate, does it not?

This also shows how balkanized our region is and how the absence of amalgamation sells us all short. So Saanich has a better way of doing something, is that a reason to celebrate while pointing fingers at another municipality or do we finally admit to ourselves, the residents of one region, that we're better off working together to achieve the same goals?
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Posted 29 March 2014 - 06:54 AM

Please help us get the non-binding question on the ballot - sign the petition ( http://www.ipetition...amalgamationyes )
If the question gets on the ballot and a yes vote is returned we won't amalgamate, we will begin engagement and research funded by Prov. Gov.  
A binding vote on amalgamation is years away, we need to start the process now.  
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Posted 29 March 2014 - 05:09 PM

Saanich Mayor Frank Leonard had very strong words for Victoria councillor Ben Isitt, calling him a "magician" for his recent statements regarding the food scraps issue, while suggesting Saanich made the right decisions and Victoria fumbled the ball, but how much did Victoria's decisions and actions impact decisions made by Saanich? There's nothing wrong with learning from someone's mistakes but the finger pointing seems a little inappropriate, does it not?

 

Brent Beach of the Shawnigan Focus wrote a piece on this topic last year titled Saanich dumps on the the Cowichan Valley Regional District.

 

http://brentatthefoc...ps-on-cvrd.html

 

He refers to a TC article that quotes Leonard

“We’re looking at a five- year [contract], and I actually think looking at the CRD decision-making process, them being up and running in five years would be optimistic,” Leonard said. - See more at: http://www.timescolo...h.v7g3shlB.dpuf

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#34 AmalgamationYes

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:03 PM

 

Brent Beach of the Shawnigan Focus wrote a piece on this topic last year titled Saanich dumps on the the Cowichan Valley Regional District.

 

http://brentatthefoc...ps-on-cvrd.html

 

He refers to a TC article that quotes Leonard

“We’re looking at a five- year [contract], and I actually think looking at the CRD decision-making process, them being up and running in five years would be optimistic,” Leonard said. - See more at: http://www.timescolo...h.v7g3shlB.dpuf

 

wow. just wow.


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Posted 30 March 2014 - 08:15 AM

In light of sewage & kitchen scraps how is the regional district model working for you now? 


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#36 Mike K.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:45 AM

Oh my. So we're now seeing a bit of a "game of thrones," if you will. It really does look like some politicians are starting to wake up to the reality that amalgamation is coming and that they must think regionally in order to position themselves as the best candidates come an election. The way Saanich Mayor Frank Leonard has come out swinging lately seems telling, but then who knows, maybe he just wants to point out other's mistakes and distract his voters enough so they don't bother complaining about issues within their own borders? Either way how this kitchen scraps debacle has played out is sad and downright frustrating.

If memory serves me right, Leonard once said if funding for a homeless shelter became available he'd share the burden with Victoria. When government appeared on Saanich's doorstep with an indicator that this may happen the municipality quickly backtracked. At least that's what I remember but admittedly this was so long ago now the details are hazy. At the time though it was brutally apparent that the other municipalities, especially Saanich, can harp on Victoria and point fingers but actually accommodating regional problems was a no-go.
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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:38 PM

 

In light of sewage & kitchen scraps how is the regional district model working for you now? 

 

 

I think there are many similarities with how to handle kitchen scraps and sewage, to the point that they could probably be handled by several smaller combined treatment/composting facilities instead of dealing with each issue separately with some of the current Rube Goldberg proposals. 

 

With some of that Rube Goldberg ingenuity each resident could on the site, convert the whole sewage/kitchen waste problem into hot air to heat their home.   



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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:50 PM

With some of that Rube Goldberg ingenuity each resident could on the site, convert the whole sewage/kitchen waste problem into hot air to heat their home.   

Or, use under kitchen counter 'worm farms' to compost kitchen scraps on the spot, producing marvellously rich compost. (not a fan of methane producing approaches, we've a big enough greenhouse gas problem brewing imo)

 

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:36 AM

It's probably a good idea to remove most kitchen scraps from residential areas. I can't even imagine how bad of a rat problem we would have if everyone composted their kitchen scraps in their backyard.

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:48 AM

A couple of colleagues at work live near the Foundation Organics facility and they said on top of the smell the rats were becoming a problem. They never really had rat issues before. Mice sure, but they couldn't recall any rats. One lady said she was six scurrying across her yard at once. Ewe. 

 

I hate the idea of composting in urban environments, for the simple reason that it will attract many rats. There's nothing you can do to prevent the rats other than move the waste out of the city. 

 

Why are we so opposed to incineration? 



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