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[Ismo07]

Couldn't you just have pay charging in each stall, no need for metering, just pay by the hour of charging?

 

Yes that's the other option but there are service fees monthly to the contractor of the service.

 

For public chargers, the City charges $1/hr for straight level 2s and $0.25/hr for the shared level 2s.  This has to be processed by a a 3rd party contractor.  For fleet vehicles however, we utilize many dummy chargers that were installed.  They have no meter nor can they collect fees.  Simple plug in.

Edited by Ismo07, 12 December 2023 - 08:46 AM.

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd be ok with a gas pump at home.

I lived in the Virginia suburbs of Washington DC during the oil crisis around 1979-80, when for a time you could only gas your car up on an even day or an odd one, depending on the last digit of your license plate. (Letters counted as even, I think.)

 

There was a pricey single-family-home neighborhood not far from the townhouse condo community I lived it. One resident of that neighborhood was J. William Middendorf, who'd recently been Nixon's secretary of the Navy and would go on to be the ambassador to the OAS and later the EU. 

Middendorf was squabbling with his neighborhood association and the Fairfax (Virginia) County government because he wanted to install a gasoline storage tank in, I suppose, his back yard.

He didn't get to.

[Doctor Detroit]

I'm in a small strata -- 13 unit, four storey building on its way to 50 years of age. I bought an EV three years ago, and until about six months ago was the only EV owner in our building. 

 

Like the other owner, I charge my car at city parkades; three are within walking distance. It turns out there's no limit on how long you can charge after 8 p.m., so for the past few months I've charged my car overnight. We don't do a lot of driving so that's an every-few-weeks process.

 

Our building has a U-shaped driveway (enter at the western end, exit at the eastern). We have 15 outdoor parking spaces. Five are against the back wall of the building; three are parallel-parking style along the exit driveway; the rest are angle parking against the rear property line.

Each of the 13 strata lots is entitled to a parking space, but the specific space is not part of the strata lot. Under our bylaws the spaces are assigned by the council. 

 

I don't know any sensible way we could provide charging other than for the five spaces that park against the building; for all the others, the power would have to run under the driveway. So eventually we'll have to figure out some kind of share-the-charger policy such that if I park against the building (and I do) I have to swap spaces with a theoretical EV owner who parks against the back fence.

It's not a high priority for us at the moment. 

According to VISOA, in 2020 more than three-fourths of BC's 31,961 strata plans had fewer than 25 units. Of the 4,504 in the 10-24 unit range, I imagine quite a few don't have parkades but parking lots, adding to the charging challenge.

 

Edited by Doctor Detroit, 22 December 2023 - 11:17 PM.

[Nparker]

Stratas should be under no obligation to supply fuel for people's choice of vehicle.

[Mike K.]

There was a discussion on EV charging at older buildings on a syndicated national radio show yesterday. One of the hosts said her building’s residents simply cannot afford what she described as a massive cost to electrify stalls.

It just makes no sense, in the majority of cases. The province insisting it does, suggests to me that practicality is being trumped by dogma, at people’s expense.

I’m still highly, highly doubtful we will meet the 2026 EV sales target, let along the 2035 target. The industry isn’t ready, the energy supply isn’t ready, charging is still challenging, the technology is fraught with problems and we have a cold, challenging climate to contend with. We are not, in other words, California, but are like we are (remember the leaky condo crisis?).

[Nparker]

...The province insisting it does, suggests to me that practicality is being trumped by dogma, at people’s expense...

Socialists putting dogma ahead of common sense? Tell me it isn't so.

[LJ]

There was a discussion on EV charging at older buildings on a syndicated national radio show yesterday. One of the hosts said her building’s residents simply cannot afford what she described as a massive cost to electrify stalls.

It just makes no sense, in the majority of cases. The province insisting it does, suggests to me that practicality is being trumped by dogma, at people’s expense.

I’m still highly, highly doubtful we will meet the 2026 EV sales target, let along the 2035 target. The industry isn’t ready, the energy supply isn’t ready, charging is still challenging, the technology is fraught with problems and we have a cold, challenging climate to contend with. We are not, in other words, California, but are like we are (remember the leaky condo crisis?).

We won't need to meet the 2035 targets as soon as we get rid of Trudeau and his band of acolytes.

[Mike K.]

That might happen, but we’ll eventually align with whatever the Americans will do. They have set 2035 as well.

I suppose that it won’t even be about satisfying demand, it’ll just be quotas and connections. Like it was under communism.

You want a car? Ok, sign up, pay what we tell you to pay, and we’ll call you in three years. Tesla is conditioning people to consider that as normal, and in 2021-2022 most automakers offered new cars only to those who were willing to wait -and- pay whatever the dealerships asked.

So I guess to answer my own question, we’ll meet the 2026 guideline through rations. That’s the only way it’ll be possible unless a Con government eases up the 20% mandate.

[Nparker]

That might happen, but we’ll eventually align with whatever the Americans will do. They have set 2035 as well...

We will have to wait and see if this target remains after the US election next November.

[Mike K.]

Yes, that’s true.

[Victoria Watcher]

That might happen, but we’ll eventually align with whatever the Americans will do. They have set 2035 as well.

I suppose that it won’t even be about satisfying demand, it’ll just be quotas and connections. Like it was under communism.

You want a car? Ok, sign up, pay what we tell you to pay, and we’ll call you in three years. Tesla is conditioning people to consider that as normal, and in 2021-2022 most automakers offered new cars only to those who were willing to wait -and- pay whatever the dealerships asked.

So I guess to answer my own question, we’ll meet the 2026 guideline through rations. That’s the only way it’ll be possible unless a Con government eases up the 20% mandate.

Tesla is building cars as fast as they can. It’s not their fault their cars are more popular that all other EVs combined in North America. Nothing stopping others from making better cars.

Obviously people have stopped buying the F-150 Lightning now that they see the CYbErTRuCk is real and it’s here.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 24 December 2023 - 12:21 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Tesla is building cars as fast as they can. It’s not their fault their cars are more popular that all other EVs combined in North America. Nothing stopping others from making better cars.

Obviously people have stopped buying the F-150 Lightning now that they see the CYbErTRuCk is real and it’s here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tesla sold 156,600 of the 313,000 EVs in the 3rd quarter.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 24 December 2023 - 01:50 AM.

[Mike K.]

The F150 is a failed experiment, absolutely.

[Matt R.]

Good old Hyundia.