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[dasmo]

Here's the thing. This is a war. The biggest thing since police batons at the lunch counter a half century ago. This war must be fought. There will be collateral damage; it's unavoidable.

It appears the accusations against Patrick Brown are falling apart. This is terrible. He is ruined, and the worst thing he did (apparently) is being a party-hearty horndog a decade ago, no underage girls involved.

The accusations against Garrison Keillor seem suspicious as well. Am I missing any others?

What is the war?
The way I see it is that anyone who is sexually abusing or assaulting a minor should be harshly punished. If it was my kids I would stop at nothing to make them suffer. BUT this is a major social regression here. This is inquisition and not necessarily justice. A simple accusation is enough to destroy someone even if found false afterwards. The premise of innocent until proven guilty is sound. It appears to dead. Welcome to the age of weaponized social media. Pray you are not a victim....

[spanky123]

It appears the accusations against Patrick Brown are falling apart. This is terrible. He is ruined, and the worst thing he did (apparently) is being a party-hearty horndog a decade ago, no underage girls involved.

 

 

Worse than terrible. One woman has changed her story and both have had their own witnesses state that the stories are not true. CTV claimed that they pursued the stories based on "rumours" about Brown. Rumours about fake events? It is not much of a leap to now believe that someone orchestrated the stories to thwart a PC win in Ontario.

 

In fairness, many women came forward to defend Brown's right to a fair "trial". They were shouted down by the radicals in #metoo who were trying to take over the movement for their own gain (what always happens).

 

Bottom line is that 6 months ago women didn't come forward with their stories because they felt they would not be believed. Thanks to the activists, women will now not only feel that they won't be believed, they will worry that people will think that they have ulterior motives.

Edited by spanky123, 15 February 2018 - 07:51 AM.

[spanky123]

What is the war?
The way I see it is that anyone who is sexually abusing or assaulting a minor should be harshly punished. If it was my kids I would stop at nothing to make them suffer. BUT this is a major social regression here. This is inquisition and not necessarily justice. A simple accusation is enough to destroy someone even if found false afterwards. The premise of innocent until proven guilty is sound. It appears to dead. Welcome to the age of weaponized social media. Pray you are not a victim....

 

Years after it was proven beyond any doubt (ie the woman were not even in the same city as him) that John Furlong did not assault two women, he still had an event at UBC cancelled on him due to the claims.

[spanky123]

Brown suing CTV News. http://torontosun.co...conduct-article

 

More witnesses coming forward to say that the alleged incidents never happened.

[LJ]

Edmonton radio station HOT 107 announced it would stop broadcasting the band's music until the allegations could be verified.

 

 

Why don't they stop broadcasting the allegations until they can be verified instead?

[VicHockeyFan]

As usual, I'll be hosting a little party next Sunday at the Yates Taphouse for the Oscars.

 

MORE:   https://www.facebook...49699605046928/

 

The Lower Island Film Commission decided to pass this year on their usual $100 or $125/person event and since Pags is closed, they will not have one.  This might be the only one.

 

I think I have 30 IMAX and Capitol 6 passes to be won on the night.

[spanky123]

So now "failing to be responsive to non-verbal cues" and/or "standing too close to someone" is sexual harrassment.

 

“Weir failed to read non-verbal cues in social situations and his behaviour resulted in significant negative impacts on the complainants,” the statement said.

 

https://www.theglobe...rom-ndp-caucus/

Edited by spanky123, 03 May 2018 - 08:05 AM.

[lanforod]

Yeah, and this: 

 

 

“The investigator made a general finding of ‘sexual harassment’ that Weir had probably sat or stood too close to people at social events and engaged them in conversation more than they wished to speak with him,” it said.

 

I'm sure most of us have had conversations with people at social events that we didn't want to have and continued to have simply because we didn't want to be rude. As for personal space, that's subjective.

[spanky123]

Yeah, and this: 

 

I'm sure most of us have had conversations with people at social events that we didn't want to have and continued to have simply because we didn't want to be rude. As for personal space, that's subjective.

 

Well at least it is nice to be able to keep a running list of all the things that can result in you losing your job with no recourse.

[Mike K.]

Weir was allegedly let go because he outed an accuser, and according to the party leader that meant he was not a team player.

You can’t make this stuff up.

[Mike K.]

The Victoria Event Centre has hired a "consent captain" who will monitor events in order to prevent sexual harassment.

 

Sexual health educator Tanille Geib will counsel people who are feeling harassed and speak with those who are making others uncomfortable.

 

More: https://www.msn.com/...ggNb9&ocid=iehp

[VicHockeyFan]

In the bar business we call those “bouncers”.

[Nparker]

In the bar business we call those “bouncers”.

That's not quite what this person will be...

...We recognize that there are a lot of situations where a traditional bouncer may not be equipped to prevent assault or harassment. We’re excited to bring in this new program to supplement our existing security personnel, and to create a space where everyone in our building can feel safer...A designated consent staff person counsels patrons being harassed or feeling uncomfortable, uses constructive dialogue to understand the issues, and works to identify problematic behaviour that may lead to sexual assault...
 

https://www.vicnews....consentmatters/

[Rob Randall]

Either Trump is a genius that saw what no-one else saw or...it's takes one to know one?

 

 

 

[VicHockeyFan]

Look, Trump is what he is.

[Nparker]

...Trump is what he is.

There's an anagram for what he is, somewhere in your statement.

[RFS]

Either Trump is a genius that saw what no-one else saw or...it's takes one to know one?

 

 

Trump knows a lot. I have 9 words to describe what is coming: Jeff Sessions, sealed indictments, human trafficking, draining the swamp.

Edited by RFS, 08 May 2018 - 09:37 AM.

[spanky123]

Either Trump is a genius that saw what no-one else saw or...it's takes one to know one?

 

 

I am sure that none of the activities the AG was alleged to have done were a secret. That only difference between cases is if someone is willing to go public with what they have experienced or know. 

Edited by spanky123, 08 May 2018 - 09:37 AM.

[Mike K.]

Oh my...

 

[Nparker]

Perhaps he should have just said "grab em by the *****" that seems to appeal to a segment of the voters.