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#3461 Nparker

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Posted 11 March 2021 - 05:16 PM

...There was a desire from CSV residents and businesses to slow traffic through the village...

Yeah, you wouldn't want people racing through at 30 km/h like they do now.

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#3462 Jackerbie

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Posted 11 March 2021 - 05:56 PM

Yeah, you wouldn't want people racing through at 30 km/h like they do now.


Putting a speed limit sign on a street does very little to change how people use the street. Changing the design changes the behaviour.
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#3463 Nparker

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Posted 11 March 2021 - 06:32 PM

Putting a speed limit sign on a street does very little to change how people use the street. Changing the design changes the behaviour.

So why do we have speed signs then?

 

And stop signs.

And traffic lights.


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#3464 Mike K.

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Posted 11 March 2021 - 08:00 PM

I saw that the other day doing my zig zags in that neighbourhood. I think that should be ok. The only issue I can see is southbound Cook traffic is moving a little faster at that location due to the grade drop as you enter CSV.

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#3465 FogPub

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 01:38 AM

The Fairfield Neighbourhood Plan adopted in 2019 identified Cook at Southgate for intersection improvements. There was a desire from CSV residents and businesses to slow traffic through the village.

Other potential intersection improvements along Cook Street include Fairfield, Oscar, Park, May, and Dallas.

Traffic through CSV is usually already dead slow except maybe late at night when nobody's around.

 

As for the intersections, define "improvements".  Cook-Fairfield is fine as it is, Cook-Dallas could become a 3-way stop I suppose, and the others are fine unless people want to turn left onto Cook; how much demand exists for those turns?

 

Turning left onto Cook from Southgate has always been tricky, but slowing down all other directions of travel can't be the best answer.


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#3466 Nparker

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 06:47 AM

..slowing down all other directions of travel can't be the best answer.

Just another salvo in the CoV's war on cars..



#3467 newbie_01

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 12:32 PM

How else do you make it easier for people to turn left there then? Traffic lights would make the rest of the traffic come to a complete stop.



#3468 Nparker

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 12:35 PM

Why is it any more difficult to make a left turn at Cook and Southgate than it ever was? Is it possible that Cook is now more congested with traffic that previously used Vancouver Street?



#3469 newbie_01

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 12:37 PM

It was bad at times for years now. And sure it would be worse now, so it's good something's being done.


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#3470 Nparker

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 12:48 PM

I lived in this area for a number of years. It never used to be a problem to make a left turn from Southgate onto Cook. There hasn't been enough development in the CSV area to account for significant increases in traffic volume. It would be foolish to believe that changes to Vancouver Street haven't played a role in the issues being experienced at this intersection.



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 01:21 PM

Turning left onto Cook from Southgate has always been tricky, but slowing down all other directions of travel can't be the best answer.


The signs say 30km/h, it's already been slowed down. The roundabout brings the design of the street in line with the desired travel speed.

#3472 Rex Waverly

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 02:03 PM

The signs say 30km/h, it's already been slowed down. The roundabout brings the design of the street in line with the desired travel speed.

 

Roundabouts aren't intended to slow people down; they're not a traffic calming device.  They're an alternative to traffic lights, in that they are traffic control intended to allow safe crossing / turning in all directions at the intersection when an unsignalized intersection doesn't work well anymore.  

 

You could put a signal there, the top speed of traffic would be higher but since some people will have to stop, overall roundabouts perform better than signals in a lot of instances.  Definitely less braking / accelerating so pollution / efficiency wise, they are usually better.   



#3473 mbjj

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 04:12 PM

I just wish they would tell us what's happening. Guess we can't expect too much from them though. 



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Posted 12 March 2021 - 04:30 PM

I just wish they would tell us what's happening. Guess we can't expect too much from them though.

Looks like the change was part of the Vancouver bike lanes approvals. Here's the slide from the presentation to Council

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#3475 Nparker

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 04:43 PM

At least the CoV recognized that the traffic "diverted from Vancouver Street" was going have consequences for nearby streets.



#3476 Rex Waverly

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Posted 12 March 2021 - 06:18 PM

Well, at least the left turns onto Burdett are going to be allowed.... i think that restriction has come up a few times on here lately in not very flattering terms, so that's at least a little good news, maybe?



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Posted 15 March 2021 - 10:34 AM

Loveday and Helps have a motion on the COTW agenda this week (March 18) to extend the pedestrianization of the 1100-blk Broad Street to the end of the year under the "Build Back Victoria Program". The motion is supported by local businesses, and there's a request to make the pedestrianization permanent as part of the 2022 workplan.

 

Full memo and motion here: https://pub-victoria...cumentId=65445 


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#3478 Mike K.

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Posted 01 April 2021 - 08:04 PM

From the City of Victoria:

The northbound travel lane on the 1400 block of Vancouver Street, between Johnson Street and Pandora Avenue, will be closed to vehicle traffic starting Tuesday, April 6.

This single lane closure will support construction at two major development projects on the west side of Vancouver Street for approximately 18 months. Providing additional space on Vancouver Street helps to minimize traffic impacts and delays on Johnson Street while cranes, concrete trucks and construction vehicles build a total of 214 new rental units in the downtown core. Along with new ground floor commercial units, these new projects support expanded sidewalks, a new landscaped boulevard, public seating, metered parking, commercial loading and protected bike lanes.

Road paving at the intersection of Pandora and Vancouver started today and will extend into early next week including the installation of a landscaped northbound traffic diverter. The work will connect two All Ages and Abilities cycling routes as a part of the City’s 32 km network.

The southbound vehicle lane on Vancouver, between Pandora and Johnson, will remain open and temporary protected bike lanes will be installed on each side of the road during the construction period. Pedestrian and wheelchair access will be maintained at all times. Once construction activities are complete at the two development sites, permanent bike lanes will be installed as a part of the approved Vancouver Street project design.

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#3479 Nparker

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Posted 01 April 2021 - 09:01 PM

...Road paving at the intersection of Pandora and Vancouver started today and will extend into early next week including the installation of a landscaped northbound traffic diverter...

That "diverter" is the latest asinine part of the Vancouver Street massacre that will force northbound vehicles to drive nearly 2 extra blocks to cross Pandora Street. It took a special kind of devious mind to come up with that particular salvo in the local war on cars.  


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#3480 sablefish

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Posted 01 April 2021 - 10:05 PM

 

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https://www.timescol...turn-1.24292416

 

we have children (and "etc.") falling into the ocean.  earthquakes.  buses and horse carriages mixing.  rising sea levels.  "destruction" of the movement of local traffic.  road rage.  tidal waves.  and bike lanes.  

 

and that's just the portion i clipped.

 

​i'm sure there is famine, insurrection, civil war, plague, crop failure, death and destruction of other means too in the rest of the letter. 

 

 

Won't someone think of the children, etc.? She's almost rhapsodic about cruise ship traffic, which is unusual for a James Bay resident. As to where she thinks she's going to be driving after the big one hits, that's anyone's guess.



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