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#1 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:29 AM

Anybody following this?


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 06:35 AM

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 12:46 PM

I have been and the core of it is a philosophical change, who should have to pay for the recycling, the consumer of the materials or the producers.   

 

MMBC was created to deal with packaging and paper materials produced.   It now falls on industry to cover the costs of all the flyers you get at the door step.   It should mean that the cost of recycling is no longer borne by local government but by businesses.

 

The big costs is going to on newspapers especially the free ones with mess of flyers in them



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 01:09 PM

Problem I have with this is that local government have no intentions of reducing your taxes even though it appears they will not have any more costs as a result. It also unfairly targets the local manufacturer/supplier as goods manufactured or supplied from out of province are exempt....so we penalise our own local industry that hires locally and pays taxes locally....yup that makes a whole wack of sense!!! :badpc:


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 02:41 PM

Where is the exemption for out of province?  I can not find that mentioned.  As far as I can tell everything is covered and that if there is no local branch the company importing the stuff is responsible.

 

Ultimately this is a good thing because it rewards companies for reducing packaging. 



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Posted 04 April 2014 - 05:42 PM

What about manufacturing/assembly businesses? 

 

Let's say I build computers.  I order parts that come from China, Taiwan, etc... each part is packaged in various plastic, Styrofoam, antistatic and cardboard materials.  I split all this packaging up and recycle it.  I then build the computer, package it in my own branded box and deliver it to the customer.

 

Are the recycling fees collected only on the material I supply the customer?  Who pays for all the packaging that I receive and recycle? 

 

Does MMBC want every piece of plastic and paper weighed to calculate the cost? 

 

 

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the point of this.  A significant portion of the population is already paying for private (non-municipal) garbage and recycling collection.  Most businesses also have private dumpsters and recycling facilities they pay for. 

 

Is BFI/Alpine/Waste Management going to provide recycling collection to us at no charge now since the costs fall on the retailers?  How are out-of-province manufacturers going to be billed for the materials they export to, and sell in BC?

 

I'm open to seeing this in a different way, but this seems like yet another layer of paperwork and expense for businesses (something the HST was touted as cutting back on) and I don't see any reduced cost to consumers. 


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 07:25 PM

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Posted 04 April 2014 - 08:04 PM

Thanks.

 

I see that there's a "small business" exemption, so I guess my example above was unwarranted.  Still begs the question of why we're replacing a system that works with a system that will add extra layers of paperwork, bureaucracy and expense to a business's operations. 


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Posted 04 April 2014 - 08:55 PM

In germany they introduced a law that all product packaging could be left at the store where you bought the product.  So consumers left their bulky boxes and plastic crap at the stores before taking the product home (since at home they'd have to pay to dispose of the garbage or recycling). 

Didn't take long before the big retailers (Aldi, think German Walmart) pushed so hard on all their suppliers that packaging was vastly reduced on all products.   

 

Simple, effective, quick.  Let the power of capitalism work to make things more environmentally friendly.  That will always be more effective than regulation and taxation.


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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:13 AM

Let the power of capitalism work to make things more environmentally friendly. That will always be more effective than regulation and taxation.


Yes!

Once government extends its tentacles onto yet another silly scheme we'll have another bureaucratic nightmare on our hands costing tax payers far more than it ever should while putting copious sums of money in someone's pocket.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:23 AM

In germany they introduced a law that all product packaging could be left at the store where you bought the product.  So consumers left their bulky boxes and plastic crap at the stores before taking the product home (since at home they'd have to pay to dispose of the garbage or recycling). 

Didn't take long before the big retailers (Aldi, think German Walmart) pushed so hard on all their suppliers that packaging was vastly reduced on all products.   

 

Simple, effective, quick.  Let the power of capitalism work to make things more environmentally friendly.  That will always be more effective than regulation and taxation.

 

I love this. Plenty of items I would be leaving the packaging behind, especially anything electronic which is usually overly packaged (Smartphone and tablet providers have smartened up mostly in this department though)


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:39 AM

Why should it be the retailer's job to handle the packaging?  They don't have any say in what/how much packaging is used. 

 

Frankly I'd prefer that my $2,000 TV comes in adequate packaging and I'd want it to remain in it until I get it in my living room.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:49 AM

In germany they introduced a law that all product packaging could be left at the store where you bought the product.  So consumers left their bulky boxes and plastic crap at the stores before taking the product home (since at home they'd have to pay to dispose of the garbage or recycling). 

Didn't take long before the big retailers (Aldi, think German Walmart) pushed so hard on all their suppliers that packaging was vastly reduced on all products.   

 

Simple, effective, quick.  Let the power of capitalism work to make things more environmentally friendly.  That will always be more effective than regulation and taxation.

 

Some manufacturers refuse to honour warranties unless the item is shipped to them in its original packaging.  Their reasoning is that only the original packaging is certified to protect the product from further damage in transit.  It's a nice escape clause.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:01 PM

There is a philosophical question here, should business or the public be responsible for the waste produced.   I would prefer the costs be placed on industry because I think there are much more likely to figure out to reduce the waste if it costs them something.

 

As it stands at the moment I pay the same amount for garbage and recycling no matter how much I use of either.   I have no cost benefit from reducing my waste.   I only need a garbage pick up about ever six weeks but I get it every two weeks.  I would love to pay 1/3 the cost and only get a pick up every six weeks.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:55 PM

 

 

As it stands at the moment I pay the same amount for garbage and recycling no matter how much I use of either.   I have no cost benefit from reducing my waste.   I only need a garbage pick up about ever six weeks but I get it every two weeks.  I would love to pay 1/3 the cost and only get a pick up every six weeks.

 

And THAT is exactly why your socialist-style municipal government should not be in the waste business.  Like Langford.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:20 PM

As it stands at the moment I pay the same amount for garbage and recycling no matter how much I use of either.   I have no cost benefit from reducing my waste.   I only need a garbage pick up about ever six weeks but I get it every two weeks.  I would love to pay 1/3 the cost and only get a pick up every six weeks.


Well under the new greener garbage regime in Saanich you can choose the smaller bins and you will pay (a bit) less.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 05:10 PM

Why should it be the retailer's job to handle the packaging?  They don't have any say in what/how much packaging is used.


Yes but it was a creative way to get the job done quickly. Imagine trying to regulate excess packaging at the manufacturer. The regulation would have to be insanely complex to define exactly what is excess and what isn't. Very quickly the large retailers pushed on their suppliers to reduce packaging, and they had the clout to make that change.
 

Frankly I'd prefer that my $2,000 TV comes in adequate packaging and I'd want it to remain in it until I get it in my living room.


Right, that would not be excess packaging, and you would not leave it at the store.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 05:41 PM

Remember the boxes computer games used to come in? Holy smokes, they were the size of dictionaries but contained a single CD and a little booklet. 


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:00 PM

Well under the new greener garbage regime in Saanich you can choose the smaller bins and you will pay (a bit) less.

 

I can't find the link, but at least one Saanich family has been granted a rebate on taxes each year after demonstrating they only produce like one garbage bag a year (no word on how often they sharpen the garburetor teeth).


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 08:46 PM

Im failing to remember the specifics.. but in general terms:

 

Is this scheme tied into the additional recycling fees I noticed Im paying on bottled drinks (and perhaps other things too?) .. Just happened to notice it the other day when I was getting (i think) a phillips rootbeer at Fairways.. not only did the normal 'deposit' fee pop up on the till screen.. but another 0.03 (?) recycling fee..

 

Im smelling bureaucratic support system..

 

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