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#141 concorde

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 09:36 AM

So, shouldn't the supply and demand principle be applied, and salaries lowered? Sauce for the goose, etc. [edit: Relating this to discussion about teachers' salaries]

Absolutely

 

I can see where you draw parallels with teachers but unlike teachers cops are willing to move just about anywhere in the country to land a job. The RCMP, for example, send you off where they want you, not where you want to go, and only after many years on the force do you have enough seniority to start inching closer to where you want to be.

I think most people early on in their careers if they are single without children move to land a first good paying job, teachers included.  I will admit I don't have stats for any of that, but I had to move early on out of town to land my first good paying job out of university



#142 Mike K.

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 10:27 AM

Yup, for sure, but BC education graduates don't seem to want to do this (in large numbers, at least). They would rather work at ski hills, bartend, or brew coffee for a decade and take the occasional subbing opportunity rather than move away.


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#143 Benezet

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 11:42 AM

Yup, for sure, but BC education graduates don't seem to want to do this (in large numbers, at least). They would rather work at ski hills, bartend, or brew coffee for a decade and take the occasional subbing opportunity rather than move away.


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#144 Mike K.

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 12:12 PM

From education grads bartending at local bars, serving coffee at local coffee shops and taking off for the winter to work at ski hills.

 

We're pumping out hundreds of teachers per year in BC with openings for very few of them as subs. That's if they're lucky enough to beat out a retired teacher that the union has no problem ensuring receives priority over newly minted grads.


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#145 Benezet

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 01:06 PM

 

We're pumping out hundreds of teachers per year in BC with openings for very few of them as subs.

 

So, shouldn't the universities be taken to task for wasting public resources by doing so?



#146 Mike K.

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Posted 31 August 2014 - 04:20 PM

They're not wasting anything, they're giving people the education they are asking for.

If anything tax payers should stop subsidising degrees that produce the seemingly never ending flow of over qualified baristas who've dedicated five years of their lives contemplating what it means to contemplate things or the history of post-colonial Zimbabwe.

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#147 G-Man

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Posted 01 September 2014 - 08:41 PM

Now now. My History degree in 20th Century Europe has done me just fine. Of course I did ice it with a minor in Anthropology.


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#148 aastra

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Posted 23 September 2014 - 12:20 PM

"Greater Victoria crime rate declining, police overstaffed"

 

According to the comments below the article, Victoria has way too many cops and not nearly enough cops.

 

 

It's about time someone wrote a report on what has long become painfully obvious to the rest of us. We have way too many cops leeching off the taxpayer...

 

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I almost never see a cop. I'm downtown every day. Never see one. Never see one as I watch people drive down Rockland at close to double the 30 kmh limit, all day, every day. Never see one as people basically ignore the 4 way stop at Richardson and Foul Bay. Never seen a cop there once. I've been almost killed there about 6 times on my bike. We have little serious crime to investigate. Where are they?


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#149 sebberry

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 08:43 AM

Here's a good Jack Knox piece that gives some insight into why police costs are running out of control...

 

http://www.timescolo...iness-1.1388508


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#150 spanky123

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 03:54 PM

Here's a good Jack Knox piece that gives some insight into why police costs are running out of control...

 

http://www.timescolo...iness-1.1388508

 

True but the question is not whether police have to do paperwork but is that paperwork more extensive then it was in the past and have technology tools not reduced the amount of time necessary to complete that paperwork.



#151 Gipper

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 11:56 AM

True but the question is not whether police have to do paperwork but is that paperwork more extensive then it was in the past and have technology tools not reduced the amount of time necessary to complete that paperwork.


It's much more extensive. And it's not paperwork, per se, it's an increase in investigational steps that then need to be documented, reviewed, and disclosed. In a lot of ways this is a good thing; our investigations are better today, but they're also more resource intensive and take longer to drag though the courts, which have problems all their own.

#152 AllseeingEye

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Posted 26 September 2014 - 01:50 PM

It's much more extensive. And it's not paperwork, per se, it's an increase in investigational steps that then need to be documented, reviewed, and disclosed. In a lot of ways this is a good thing; our investigations are better today, but they're also more resource intensive and take longer to drag though the courts, which have problems all their own.

I was just going to post that much of a cop's time is likely tied up in the effort required to ensure an investigation is airtight and all loose ends tied off in those cases where its decided to actually recommend charging someone, not to mention the hours actually spent in court once that process happens.



 



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