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#5101 RFS

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:06 PM

North and East BC had similar results as Alberta and Saskatchewan last night. Look at the Prince George riding, 69% for conservatives. Its worth noting the conservative party got the highest seat count and highest popular vote in BC last night.

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:09 PM

The problem is, we'd just have one big party - Liberals, and 5-6 parties with less than 60 seats. Whats the point of becoming Italy?
The Liberals wouldn't have to play ball with a western bloc party at all. They don't have to now. Pretty much all of those seats would come at the expense of the Tories.


I don't know, again it works for the BQ. I agree it would change everything and would hurt the conservative party but so be it. Clearly something needs to change to get these projects built.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:28 PM

I don't know, again it works for the BQ. I agree it would change everything and would hurt the conservative party but so be it. Clearly something needs to change to get these projects built.

The primary reason Trans Mountain hasn't been built is that a court has ruled that the federal government failed in its duty to consult with First Nations.  Most of the consultations actually took place during the final stretch of the Harper Government.  The Trudeau government subsequently bought the pipeline, held additional discussions with First Nations, and then re-approved the project.  

 

At least one commentator has pointed out that, if the Liberals had won another majority, the Trans Mountain pipeline's chances for being built would be higher than they are now.  Instead, voters (esp in AB and SK) reduced their support for the Liberals, which means that they will likely partner with one of more parties opposed to Trans Mountain.  But regardless, there's still a chance that the courts will kibosh Trans Mountain due to First Nation opposition (recall that the courts rejected Vancouver and Burnaby's appeal most recently but opted to consider a First Nation appeal).



#5104 RFS

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 01:43 PM

^it should already have been built by now. Its been in and out of courts for years but at the end of the day the blame or credit lies with the government. A less hostile government would have got it done by now.

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:38 PM

The thing is, you don't actually need to seperate. You just use it as a bluff like Quebec does to great effect. I could definitely see a regional western party with a focus on pipelines getting 60-70 seats. Then offer power to whichever party will give the west the pipelines and other infrastructure. That's all they really want. The seperation stuff is just frustration.

 

Pipelines to the U.S.? They don't seem to be so keen on them these days, especially if you are a shale gas producer. B.C. doesn't want pipelines and neither does Quebec. Ontario hasn't really decided, although it has old pipelines to Sarnia, which it probably likes.

 

The core of the Conservative Party of Canada is effectively the former Reform Party, with all of its warts, including an Alberta focus. It's fear of that form of conservatism that provided the Liberals with yet another chance to reinvent themselves. Scheer tried to position the CPC as a kinder and gentler party, but the spectre of a Doug Ford like government did them in in Ontario.


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Posted 22 October 2019 - 02:43 PM

Pipelines to the U.S.? They don't seem to be so keen on them these days, especially if you are a shale gas producer. B.C. doesn't want pipelines and neither does Quebec. Ontario hasn't really decided, although it has old pipelines to Sarnia, which it probably likes.

The core of the Conservative Party of Canada is effectively the former Reform Party, with all of its warts, including an Alberta focus. It's fear of that form of conservatism that provided the Liberals with yet another chance to reinvent themselves. Scheer tried to position the CPC as a kinder and gentler party, but the spectre of a Doug Ford like government did them in in Ontario.


TMX has 60% support in BC. Perhaps you meant Victoria doesn't like pipelines.

I don't think you comprehend the gravity of last night's results in Alberta and Saskatchewan. 60-70% support for a single party across 5 million+ people is a message that peoole should heed.
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Posted 22 October 2019 - 05:01 PM

Pipelines to the U.S.? They don't seem to be so keen on them these days, especially if you are a shale gas producer. B.C. doesn't want pipelines and neither does Quebec. Ontario hasn't really decided, although it has old pipelines to Sarnia, which it probably likes.

 

The core of the Conservative Party of Canada is effectively the former Reform Party, with all of its warts, including an Alberta focus. It's fear of that form of conservatism that provided the Liberals with yet another chance to reinvent themselves. Scheer tried to position the CPC as a kinder and gentler party, but the spectre of a Doug Ford like government did them in in Ontario.

 

https://www.ipsos.co...pansion-project

 

Support for Trans Mountain is consistent across regions including 59% support in Metro Vancouver (29% opposed), 60% support on Vancouver Island (32% opposed) and 63% support in the Interior/North (26% opposed).

 

 

 

Have to chuckle at your comment about Doug Ford...I hope you have a similar opinion about the Wynne/McGuinty decade and the scandals and largest non-sovereign debt in history?



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Posted 22 October 2019 - 06:18 PM

Looking at the Victoria results, Macdonald’s 15,686 votes likely gave Collins the win. Collins beat Kooy with 23,290 votes vs Kooy’s 20,846.

Rankin won in 2015 with 30,397 votes. Collins lost the NDP 7,000 votes.

yep, ndp down 7000, greens down 3000, cons - stable (unless you add in the pcp vote) , liberals up 7000

 

maybe 1000 fewer votes cast overall

 

the real story - animal guy picked 17 more votes, 217 up from 200!!



#5109 Cats4Hire

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 06:21 PM

the real story - animal guy picked 17 more votes, 217 up from 200!!

if this continues in a few hundred years he might get a seat!



#5110 Tom Braybrook

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 06:25 PM

if this continues in a few hundred years he might get a seat!

i wonder if he knows the sets in the house are upholstered in leather?



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Posted 22 October 2019 - 06:36 PM

My favourite paraphrase from today's news;

 

For the tories, it's all downhill from Scheer!



#5112 Mike K.

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 06:38 PM

Which is better than an uphill battle, right?

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#5113 AllseeingEye

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Posted 22 October 2019 - 06:46 PM

IMO this is the best, most coherent, cogent and - sadly - laser-beam accurate summary of last night's results that I have read all day. Not surprising coming from one of the preeminent political commentators in Canada. And which explains perfectly why I didn't vote for any of these clowns as the lying disinformation bulls*** meter for all of them was right off the scale throughout the campaign:

 

https://www.msn.com/...ders/ar-AAJaFvS

 

None of these so-called leaders, and I'm including May here too, are in any fashion true "PM" material. As suggested in the article all of them pale into insignificance in comparison to earlier generations of political leaders in this country. Last night was nothing more than a two-ring circus with 4 primary clowns vying for a starring spot in the middle ring.....


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#5114 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 02:09 AM

I was disappointed with so many of the leaders just not answering the question given to them. sometimes repeatedly.



“Will this mean higher taxes?”

we will of course fight for all Canadians.

“???”



“will you have to close the highway for repairs?”

the highway workers share our Canadian values.

“???”




“when can we expect a new prescription drug plan?”

as we’ve always said all Canadians will share in our prosperity.

“???”

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#5115 Torrontes

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 04:38 AM

https://www.ipsos.co...pansion-project

 

 

 

Have to chuckle at your comment about Doug Ford...I hope you have a similar opinion about the Wynne/McGuinty decade and the scandals and largest non-sovereign debt in history?

 

In respect of the Ipsos poll, which was conducted on behalf of Resource Works (a lobby group for the resource sector), it provides some indication of the strength of support:

 

"Six-in-ten (60%) British Columbians say they support the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project, which involves building a second pipeline on the existing route between Alberta and Metro Vancouver (29% strongly, 32% somewhat). Roughly three-in-ten (29%) residents say they oppose the project (15% strongly, 14% somewhat), while one-in-ten (11%) are undecided."

 

In my opinion, the headline overstates both support for and opposition to the project.

 

As to the Ford government, I am not expressing an opinion but rather the facts. A survey conducted by Pollara Strategic Insights shows that people's voting intent for the provincial PCs has dropped by over 10 per cent, from 40.5% on election day all the way down to 30 per cent. The survey also showed that more people voted for Ford as a way to get rid of former Premier and Ontario Liberal Party leader, Kathleen Wynne, than those who voted because they actually liked the PC leader. Only 23% of those polled indicated that "Balancing the budget and restoring fiscal responsibility to Ontario" was a major factor in their decision.

 

https://www.pollara....May2019_Rpt.pdf

 

Ontario’s per capita debt was $18,866 in 2017, the second highest among the provinces, behind only Newfoundland and Labrador, notwithstanding that on a per capita basis, Ontario’s deficit amounted to $271 per person in 2017, below the Canada-wide provincial average of $530. The burden of eliminating the deficit falls mainly on reducing program spending. However, since Ontario’s program spending is already the lowest in Canada, opportunities for achieving additional spending restraint or reductions may be limited. That is the challenge that Doug Ford must address.



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Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:35 AM

At the core, the current election demonstrates a gaping hole in the choices available to Canadians.  There are many Canadians this past election who voted Liberal, not because they were particularly fond of Trudeau or his inability to act in fiscally prudent ways, but because they could not swallow the regressive, homophobic, xenophobic, vitriol that is spewed from and seemingly supported by the conservative party.  There are also many Canadians who voted conservative, not because they agree with the conservative party on social issues, but because they saw the conservatives as being the only fiscally responsible choice available and could not vote liberal because of the lack of integrity that has been demonstrated over the last four years.  They were repulsed by Trudeau's brown/black face moments, insulted by his draconian measures aimed at small and medium businesses (including many physicians and other professionals), and appalled at the SNC Lavalin affair and the treatment of Wilson-Raybould and Dr. Philpot - people who also didn't see themselves being represented by either the Green or the NDP.  There's a need for a centre-right option that practices fiscal responsibility and social progression (the right to freedom of religion, a woman's right to choose, same-sex rights, and fair immigration), that recognizes that there is a need to adopt environmentally responsible policies but falls short of buying into the "crisis" narrative that demands an irrational response.  A party led by Wilson-Raybould would likely fit that bill - and would put to shame the current gang of clowns. 


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#5117 Mike K.

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Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:41 AM

... regressive, homophobic, xenophobic, vitriol that is spewed from and seemingly supported by the conservative party.


Was that actually the case, to those extremes?
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Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:49 AM

Was that actually the case, to those extremes?

 

Sadly that's what the conservative brand means to many Canadians.  It's become a slur, in no small part due to our neighbour to the South who has tarnished the reputation of being conservative.


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Posted 23 October 2019 - 09:59 AM

It would seem, though, that based on the election results conservatives rejected those views by not re-electing Bernier or a single MP for the People’s Party, which could be argued split on the basis of immigration and culture-related issues.
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Posted 23 October 2019 - 10:02 AM

It would seem, though, that based on the election results conservatives rejected those views by not re-electing Bernier or a single MP for the People’s Party, which could be argued split on the basis of immigration and culture-related issues.


Bernier was perceived to be a far right figure "Mad Max" and failed to gain traction.

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