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[Jackerbie]

In Collins’ own riding the police put out APBs routinely asking for the public to help find high-risk underage girls. One of these girls, if not two, may have been the victims in the human trafficking case we learned of last week.

 

And part of the issue here is that human trafficking is conflated with sex work.

 

The larger context to these remarks is that the House was debating a motion to condemn the murder of an adult sex worker by a convicted murderer on day parole. The issue at hand was largely concerning Canada's parole system. Collins brought up a Harper-era bill concerning the legal status of sex work, and human trafficking was brought up by Viersen in response to Collins' comments.

[m3m]

In Collins’ own riding the police put out APBs routinely asking for the public to help find high-risk underage girls. One of these girls, if not two, may have been the victims in the human trafficking case we learned of last week.

 

Where did you hear this?

[Victoria Watcher]

The larger context to these remarks is that the House was debating a motion to condemn the murder of an adult sex worker by a convicted murderer on day parole. 

 

you are skipping a very important part of the story here though.  the parole supervisors knew he was visiting prostitutes while on day parole in order to meet his needs.

 

Members of Parliament were in the House of Commons for debate on a Conservative motion seeking to condemn the decision by the Parole Board of Canada to release a convicted murderer on day parole in Quebec City and allow him to “meet women, but only to meet [his] sexual needs.”

 

https://globalnews.c...worker-apology/

 

so they essentially said "sure go ahead and visit prostitutes".  then he murdered one.  he is 51.  she was just 22.

 

https://cultmtl.com/...-worker-safety/

 

 

some canadians such as myself don't think this convict's sexual needs should have been placed above the life of this young woman no matter what profession she was in.

 

 

background on this man:

 

 

In 2006, Gallese was sentenced to life in prison for the brutal death of his girlfriend, with no possibility of parole for 15 years. Thirty-two-year-old Chantale Deschenes had been savagely beaten to death with a hammer and repeatedly stabbed. Gallese then took the time to scribble vile insults about her on the bedroom wall before turning himself in to police. This wasn’t a one-time offence. He already had a history of conjugal violence with a previous partner in 1997.

 

Even though the Parole Board initially found that he posed “a high risk of violence,” they later inexplicably changed that to a “moderate risk” and nine years later Gallese won conditional release to a halfway house. He had been out on day parole since March of 2019.

 

https://cultmtl.com/...-worker-safety/

 

Let me repeat those details to see if I can fathom their absurdity. A man with a history of misogyny, rage and extreme physical violence against women was released early. The same man who beat his girlfriend to death with a hammer, repeatedly stabbed her and scribbled “whore” on the wall was not only released early but permitted to interact with women to satisfy his sexual needs. A convicted killer who was once considered at high risk of reoffending was allowed out on day parole to interact with sex workers as a “risk management strategy.”

 

And thanks to the liberal conditions of his release, he invited one of them back to a secluded hotel room to do with her as he pleased. No one bothered to inform this young woman, or the massage parlour she worked at, that he was extremely dangerous and posed a risk to her life.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 February 2020 - 06:14 PM.

[Mike K.]

After several violent incidents at this parlour he was not permitted onto the premises. The masseuse agreed to meet him off site, at least according to Vice: https://www.google.c...fy-sexual-needs

[Tom Braybrook]

so if i'm to understand what happened on parliament hill today.

 

our local ndp mp was telling the house how sex work is real work and real women choose this type of work and deserve some government protections or at least less interference from being able to perform such work.

 

then a conservative mp asked our mp if she had ever performed such work.

 

then he had to apologize for even suggesting she'd do such degrading work.  or something.

 

because you see she'd be above that type of work but hundreds or thousands of canadian women are not.  

 

you could follow here:  https://twitter.com/...789242850807808

 

but it still would not make much sense.

...actually, i think he needed to apologize because had a man raised the point (or asked the question) he would never have asked/suggested that a man might have considered such work... but he had no issue with asking a woman such a question...therein lies the rub...

 

like her or not, ms.collins is "nobody's baby"   © sheila copps

[Victoria Watcher]

...actually, i think he needed to apologize because had a man raised the point (or asked the question) he would never have asked/suggested that a man might have considered such work... but he had no issue with asking a woman such a question...therein lies the rub...

 

like her or not, ms.collins is "nobody's baby"   © sheila copps

 

nah.  most liberals are on record supporting male and female and trans sex workers.  so in their world that should not make a difference who asks who.

[Victoria Watcher]

well "retweets are not endorsements" of course but she seemed to like this one.  and retweeted it.  that in her terms would insult all politicians.

 

 

 

 

anyway not everyone in her feed takes her position.

 

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 February 2020 - 07:55 PM.

[spanky123]

Most mature adults in a debate would have recognized that what was said was not what was intended, allowed the correction and apology, and moved on with the debate to find a resolution to the problem.

 

That is not what happens anymore in politics. As soon as an opening is found to embarrass an opponent then the media circus and tour starts. Ms. Collins has spent more time doing interviews then she has contributing to discourse in the house of commons.

[Awaiting Juno]

Most mature adults in a debate would have recognized that what was said was not what was intended, allowed the correction and apology, and moved on with the debate to find a resolution to the problem.

 

That is not what happens anymore in politics. As soon as an opening is found to embarrass an opponent then the media circus and tour starts. Ms. Collins has spent more time doing interviews then she has contributing to discourse in the house of commons.

 

This, and we see it time and time again.  There's a media circus and a few jabs one way or the other, a lot of words and theatre, but no action.  This is what Canadians should be gutted about not that something was said but that after things were said, that nothing was done.

[Mike K.]

“The stupefying weightlessness of Justin Trudeau’s government has never been more evident than in recent days, as it tries to arrange an end to the Mohawk blockade of CN’s main line near Belleville, Ont. At times it seems as if it might just float away, like an improperly tethered bouncy castle in a thunderstorm.” - https://nationalpost...n-rail-blockade

[Hotel Mike]

The National Post has such a hate on for Prime Minister Trudeau. They're still pissed that Canadians re-elected the Liberal government.

[Bernard]

The National Post has such a hate on for Prime Minister Trudeau. They're still pissed that Canadians re-elected the Liberal government.

Canadians did not so much re-elect the Trudeau government as the Liberals stayed in government because the electoral system we use can allow for the second most popular party to win more seats than the most popular

[Mike K.]

The National Post has such a hate on for Prime Minister Trudeau. They're still pissed that Canadians re-elected the Liberal government.

What’s there to be proud of at the moment? Our country is in its worst state in generations.

Trudeau has vilified the life blood of our economy, small business owners. He has embarrassed Canadians by dancing his way through India, and wearing black face so many times he can’t count the instances. First Nations relations are crumbling. Albertans are considering splitting from the country. Our energy sector is hurting. Our fishing sector is hurting. Protecting Bombardier and SNC Lavalin are top priorities. The rule of law is just an option, and the PM has violated the code of ethics so many times it’s hard to keep track (five times?).

[Awaiting Juno]

What’s there to be proud of at the moment? Our country is in its worst state in generations.

Trudeau has vilified the life blood of our economy, small business owners. He has embarrassed Canadians by dancing his way through India, and wearing black face so many times he can’t count the instances. First Nations relations are crumbling. Albertans are considering splitting from the country. Our energy sector is hurting. Our fishing sector is hurting. Protecting Bombardier and SNC Lavalin are top priorities. The rule of law is just an option, and the PM has violated the code of ethics so many times it’s hard to keep track (five times?).

 

He's made more Recovering Liberals than the catholic church has Recovering Catholics - and both because of a miserable track record that cannot be ignored.  The old school, middle of the road, Liberals - epitomized by Chretien and Martin have fallen way to a populism where looking good seems to trump doing good for Canadians.  The opportunity is ripe for conservatives to take a principled stand for Canada and all they have to do is proclaim - love is love, women deserve bodily autonomy, science and facts are good, and we don't care what colour or creed you are - will you work towards building Canada?  If all of this was unfolding on the eve of the last election, they probably wouldn't even have to do that (but they should).  I'm hoping there's a revival of the progressive conservatism that once existed - a huge step towards a rational middle of the road when it comes to policy.

[Nparker]

 

The opportunity is ripe for conservatives to take a principled stand for Canada and all they have to do is proclaim - love is love, women deserve bodily autonomy, science and facts are good, and we don't care what colour or creed you are - will you work towards building Canada?

I am not sure the Reformatives will accept such "radical" policies.

[Awaiting Juno]

I am not sure the Reformatives will accept such "radical" policies.

 

Given the alternative which amount to scrap the free market system entirely for a socialist regime, I think they might be willing to move from that position.  Either that, or they can yet again be relegated to a far right fringe party while the more moderate middle seeks to capture market share.

[RFS]

 love is love, women deserve bodily autonomy, science and facts are good, and we don't care what colour or creed you are -

 

1. Love is love? So like a 7 year old and a 40 year old can be in love? Dumb slogan with zero meaning. 

 

2. Women have bodily autonomy in Canada.  The debate is that many Canadians believe we should have SOME sort of laws/regulations over when you should no longer be able to get an abortion.  Like the rest of the world does.  The vast majority of Canadians don't agree with 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions.  Both of which are fully legal.  At a certain point there is a fully developed human baby in the womb, and that point is actually before birth.  Science and facts are good right?

[Awaiting Juno]

1. Love is love? So like a 7 year old and a 40 year old can be in love? Dumb slogan with zero meaning. 

 

2. Women have bodily autonomy in Canada.  The debate is that many Canadians believe we should have SOME sort of laws/regulations over when you should no longer be able to get an abortion.  Like the rest of the world does.  The vast majority of Canadians don't agree with 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions.  Both of which are fully legal.  At a certain point there is a fully developed human baby in the womb, and that point is actually before birth.  Science and facts are good right?

 

1. Don't be silly - you know I was referring to consenting adults.

2. It's a medical decision between a woman and her doctor, full stop.  

[RFS]

 

2. It's a medical decision between a woman and her doctor, full stop.  

 

Well according to polls, you are in a radical fringe minority of Canadians with that opinion

[RFS]

https://nationalpost...ore-complicated

 

Seven in 10 say abortion should be generally illegal in the last three months of pregnancy. Only 57 per cent believe abortion should be generally legal in the second trimester.