5846 replies to this topic

[lanforod]

Don't be so sure. Some Green policies could get implemented should they be propping up a minority government come October.

[Victoria Watcher]

Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said today she expects two former Liberal MPs who quit Justin Trudeau's cabinet over the SNC-Lavalin matter will decide whether to join her party by early June.



https://www.cbc.ca/n...n-may-1.5128323

[JimV]

Don't be so sure. Some Green policies could get implemented should they be propping up a minority government come October.

It's not impossible, but extremely unlikely. For that scenario to unfold a number of events have to happen:

1. JWR and/or Philpott have to run as Greens.
2. They have to be elected.
3. The election must result in a razor thin plurality by the Libs or CPC.
4. The winning party must accept the Greens as partners.

Even in that unlikely set of circumstances the Greens have a tiger by the tail, as in BC. They have a little influence but don't dare defeat the government because the alternative is worse. Like Weaver, they would have little chance of seeing any of their policies passed into law.

[rjag]

Still waiting for those scientists to be unmuzzled but I guess thats pretty low down the totem pole these days (can I say totem pole anymore?)....JT needs to take a long walk in the snow just like his father....

[Mike K.]

He’ll be storm watching in tofino soon enough.

[Tom Braybrook]

...ummm, no Laurel, I don't think I can help!  I'll be saving my donation money to cover the $200,000+ your cynical (or is fickle a better word?) decision to run will be costing the City of Victoria taxpayers!...

 

 

Hi ????? --

Last week, I wrote to introduce myself, to thank the membership for nominating me to be your candidate, and to tell you about the kick-off of our pre-election work.

I wanted to follow up and ask-- are you able to make a donation this week? Our donors have been incredibly generous so far, and we know the election this fall will be a tough fight. We have to be able to match the other parties dollar for dollar, so we can keep fighting to build a society that is more equal, more sustainable, and where no one is left behind.

Last week, we created an election planning committee and are getting our campaign off the ground. Now is the time to get to work to win Victoria for the NDP.

I hope you can donate this week so we have the startup money we need! Can you helps us get to our target of $5,000? To make your donation, please click here. Your donation of $100 will only cost you $25 after tax credits and a $50 donation is just $12.50.

If you prefer, you can send a cheque payable to the Victoria Federal NDP to PO Box 8383, Victoria, BC, V8W 3R9. Questions? Contact Ellen at 250-4772817 or ellen@ellengodfrey.com.

Warmly,

Laurel

Laurel Collins
Your Victoria Federal NDP Candidate

P.S. Please try to get your contribution in by Saturday, May 11th. We would really appreciate your help to cover our early expenses!

[lanforod]

It's not impossible, but extremely unlikely. For that scenario to unfold a number of events have to happen:

1. JWR and/or Philpott have to run as Greens.
2. They have to be elected.
3. The election must result in a razor thin plurality by the Libs or CPC.
4. The winning party must accept the Greens as partners.

Even in that unlikely set of circumstances the Greens have a tiger by the tail, as in BC. They have a little influence but don't dare defeat the government because the alternative is worse. Like Weaver, they would have little chance of seeing any of their policies passed into law.

 

Only 3 and 4 are required; and this is exactly what happened in BC, so don't write it off.

[Jackerbie]

Green Party Leader Elizabeth May said today she expects two former Liberal MPs who quit Justin Trudeau's cabinet over the SNC-Lavalin matter will decide whether to join her party by early June.



https://www.cbc.ca/n...n-may-1.5128323

 

Also of interest, CBC's Eric Grenier is musing that the best path forward for the Greens is to focus on taking Vancouver Island from the NDP. He names Victoria and Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke as likely candidates. via https://www.cbc.ca/n...rough-1.5128063

[JimV]

Only 3 and 4 are required; and this is exactly what happened in BC, so don't write it off.

3 and 4 are immaterial without 1 and 2. Unless you are suggesting either:

JWR and Phillpot run and get elected as independents, but then decide to support the Green platform; or

Some currently unknown Green candidate gets elected and turns out to hold the balance of power in a divided Parliament.

Those might be amusing speculations but are too far fetched to take seriously.

And even in BC where they hold the balance of power they can't do much with it. So the chances of any Green policies experiencing a live birth are vanishingly remote.

[Hotel Mike]

Both Victoria and Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke are very much in play for the Greens. Victoria's NDP MP is stepping down, so it's open for the run. And David Merner was a popular candidate when he was a federal Liberal and could do well as a Green.

[lanforod]

3 and 4 are immaterial without 1 and 2. Unless you are suggesting either:

JWR and Phillpot run and get elected as independents, but then decide to support the Green platform; or

Some currently unknown Green candidate gets elected and turns out to hold the balance of power in a divided Parliament.

Those might be amusing speculations but are too far fetched to take seriously.

And even in BC where they hold the balance of power they can't do much with it. So the chances of any Green policies experiencing a live birth are vanishingly remote.

 

Why do the Greens need JWR and Philpott to hold the balance of power in a minority government? Answer: they don't; having them may make it more likely to happen, that's all. Greens are projected currently to get 3-4 seats. Add those two may make it 5-6 IF they get re-elected.

 

I don't disagree with the rest of what you've stated, but the chance isn't 0 and isn't that far fetched. Seat projections are mostly useless until October, but still show its well possible: http://338canada.com/

[Victoria Watcher]

those two will only join if they get a good deal. greens will need to bring an offer to the table. back room deal required.

[G-Man]

Hopefully by slowly getting a toehold, other greens across the country realise that they are a real party to vote for and pull their support from the liberals, NDP and even conservatives. Fiscally speaking conservatives should be thinking long term which means protecting the environment.

[rjag]

 Fiscally speaking conservatives should be thinking long term which means protecting the environment.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...record-1.616580

 

They have been for some time

[Tom Braybrook]

https://www.cbc.ca/n...record-1.616580

 

They have been for some time

...okay, Mulroney got an award - but he was an old-style Progressive Conservative (PC)... the latest flavour of Tory (CPC) said this in the same article... 

 

  On Thursday, the current prime minister reiterated that Canada won't meet the Kyoto targets agreed to by the previous Liberal government.

Stephen Harper brushed aside questions about why the environment isn't one of his government's top five priorities.

Harper, who does not support Kyoto and has not laid out an alternative to it, said his government will make progress over time, something that hasn't happened in a decade.

[RFS]

^Environmentalism and reducing pollution is one thing.  Globalist wealth redistribution schemes like Paris or Kyoto where we give billions of dollars to some of the worst polluters on the planet is another thing entirely.

[RFS]

Fiscally speaking conservatives should be thinking long term which means protecting the environment.

 

Nice try. Behind the veneer of pragmatism the Greens are as anti family, anti West, anti logos as any other radical leftist

[rjag]

I wonder what the Green position is on nuclear power which has the smallest footprint of any type of mass generation?

[Tom Braybrook]

I wonder what the Green position is on nuclear power which has the smallest footprint of any type of mass generation?

1. Home
2.  
3. Vision Green
4.  
5. Part 1: The Green Economy
6.  
7. 1.21 Energy industry: No to nuclear

1.21 Energy industry: No to nuclear

Can nuclear power meet our energy needs and be the solution to climate change? Not when one considers the cost, pollution, and threat to global security associated with nuclear power.

The Greens insist that energy choices should be economically rational. The best energy choices to respond to the climate crisis should be those that deliver the greatest reduction of GHG per dollar invested. By this criterion, nuclear energy is among the very worst options. Reactors cost billions of dollars, take more than a decade to build, operate unreliably after about the first dozen years of operation, and only produce one type of energy: electricity. Even if the industry were “green and clean” as claimed by the pro-nuclear propaganda efforts, it fails on the economics. Nevertheless, it is neither clean nor green.

Recent studies also note that once the current high-grade uranium deposits are depleted, carbon emissions will greatly increase as low-quality ores have to be refined. In addition, radioactive emissions that routinely leak from current facilities in Ontario have a half-life of over 5000 years. The spent fuel has over 200 cancer-causing elements. Plutonium, for example, has a half-life of 24 400 years, while other harmful substances persist for millions of years in our environment with no known safety treatment nor storage place.

[rjag]

 

1.  

1.21 Energy industry: No to nuclear

 

Can nuclear power meet our energy needs and be the solution to climate change? Not when one considers the cost, pollution, and threat to global security associated with nuclear power.

The Greens insist that energy choices should be economically rational. The best energy choices to respond to the climate crisis should be those that deliver the greatest reduction of GHG per dollar invested. By this criterion, nuclear energy is among the very worst options. Reactors cost billions of dollars, take more than a decade to build, operate unreliably after about the first dozen years of operation, and only produce one type of energy: electricity. Even if the industry were “green and clean” as claimed by the pro-nuclear propaganda efforts, it fails on the economics. Nevertheless, it is neither clean nor green.

 

 

 

http://www.world-nuc...f_lifecycle.pdf

 

https://www.carbonbr...rbon-footprints

 

“I continue to be amazed just how low the embodied energy use of solar, wind and nuclear power is, in comparison with others,” study co-author Edgar Hertwich tells Carbon Brief.

Hertwich is professor of industrial sustainability at the Yale School of Forestry and Environmental Studies. He also put together the lifecycle electricity generation emissions data in the latest Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report, AR5.

 

Edited by rjag, 09 May 2019 - 07:18 PM.