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[Nparker]

^Yes, but the article is honestly way too long. Only those that are already against helps are going to read the whole thing.

It could use a bit of editing, but it's worth the read. I posted the link on my FB page. I encourage others to do the same.

[29er Radio]

Focus has made a habit of publishing long, well -researched articles condemning the actions of people in power in Victoria. It makes for compelling reading for sure but the articles rarely offer any examples of success in similar efforts by local governments elsewhere or how they fare compared to other communities attempting similar projects. The long article in an earlier edition on all the problems identified during the final inspection of the bridge just provided numbers with no context. How many problems do similar infrastructure projects uncover?

 

Its my understanding that life sucks pretty well everywhere and why we would think we could escape that reality is confusing. I disagree with the mayor on many subjects and when I am feeling spry, I occasionally do some research to see how others do things better and bring those techniques to her attention. If as a community we spent half the time we do *****ing about the councils inadequacies, and spent it on researching success elsewhere, as a community we could ensure best practice wins the day, rather than shouting at each other from our perspective corners.

[Rob Randall]

The long article in an earlier edition on all the problems identified during the final inspection of the bridge just provided numbers with no context. How many problems do similar infrastructure projects uncover?

 

I think you're missing the point. The issue is not the fact that infrastructure projects frequently have flaws or that police chiefs do bad things or that statues present a whitewashed history.

 

The articles uncover times when our leadership makes those things worse by errors in judgement.

[rmpeers]

Brutal (and accurate in my opinion) assessment of Lisa's first term in office.

http://www.focusonvi...f-victoria-r14/

If the TC and other local media possessed the skills or courage, they could have been offering coverage like this throughout the past four years. Instead, we have mostly bumbling, fawning and worshipful coverage of a mayor who really deserves to have her actions challenged.

[spanky123]

I think you're missing the point. The issue is not the fact that infrastructure projects frequently have flaws or that police chiefs do bad things or that statues present a whitewashed history.

 

The articles uncover times when our leadership makes those things worse by errors in judgement.

 

I think that he knows exactly what the point is. There is a personal relationship with Ms. Helps (ie podcast) that is perhaps clouding the vision!

 

The article spells out the same pattern in each example. Lisa out and out lied to the public in order to cover the tracks of people that she wanted to keep in power. In order to protect Elsner she lied about the investigation. In order to protect Huggett and the engineers she lied about the bridge flaws. 

 

You can argue that the article could have been condensed down to "Lisa lies and can't be trusted". Since Lisa and City Hall try to discredit everything Ross prints, it is in his interest to be as exhaustive and comprehensive as possible. 

[Bingo]

^Yes, but the article is honestly way too long. Only those that are already against helps are going to read the whole thing.

 

It is long, but if you didn't read right to the end and below, you would have missed Stephen Andrew's comments.

[Mike K.]

Would someone with a tattoo on their arm stating they don’t lie, lie?

[Mike K.]

Today, the Helps Campaign is announcing the creation of at least 300 new affordable childcare spaces in neighbourhoods across Victoria. Working with non-profit childcare providers, School District 61, and Island Health, a funding application has been submitted to the Province to fund the creation of new childcare spaces in Victoria starting in 2019. - https://lisahelpsvic...ng-to-victoria/

 

So they've been created, or have they been applied for?

[Nparker]

If the Province is supplying the funding then aren't they the ones actually making the spaces happen?

[Bingo]

So they've been created, or have they been applied for?

 

Maybe in 2019 and subject to Provincial Funding so no.

Back on March 9, 2017 there was another maybe announcement about funding for commuter rail.

 

[spanky123]

So they've been created, or have they been applied for?

 

That is my question as well. From what I can tell, she is claiming in the headline that the spaces have been created yet the article reads that they have just applied for funding with a new program.

[rjag]

My mistake the childcare spaces has reappeared...maybe my pc didnt refresh it for some reason

Edited by rjag, 01 October 2018 - 09:12 PM.

[Bingo]

Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps says a report by B.C.’s police complaint commissioner questioning her handling of misconduct allegations against a former Victoria police chief “feels like character assassination.”

“At this point, I’m considering what my options are going forward,” Helps said Monday. “I’m going to have someone look at the report carefully and see if it’s defamatory. It feels defamatory.”

https://www.timescol...says-1.23448989

[weirdie]

But also, from September 26 2018: "Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps ‘100 per cent agrees’ with OPCC’s findings on ex-police chief investigation"

https://www.peninsul...-investigation/

[spanky123]

 

Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps says a report by B.C.’s police complaint commissioner questioning her handling of misconduct allegations against a former Victoria police chief “feels like character assassination.”

 

“At this point, I’m considering what my options are going forward,” Helps said Monday. “I’m going to have someone look at the report carefully and see if it’s defamatory. It feels defamatory.”

https://www.timescol...says-1.23448989

 

 

So she is not sophisticated enough to understand the legal requirements of an internal investigation, but all of a sudden is an expert on the legal definition of defamation?!

[laconic]

Helps could read Mr. Lowe's biography.

 

https://opcc.bc.ca/a...ners-biography/

 

He may be somewhat familiar with the legal system.

[Rob Randall]

But also, from September 26 2018: "Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps ‘100 per cent agrees’ with OPCC’s findings on ex-police chief investigation"

https://www.peninsul...-investigation/

 

It seems clear from the context of the quote she was referring only to the recommendation that mayors no longer have the discipline authority, that it should go to retired judges.

 

I would be disappointed to learn that a defamation suit would put this scandal behind a curtain for another two years. There needs to be full accountability.

[spanky123]

It seems clear from the context of the quote she was referring only to the recommendation that mayors no longer have the discipline authority, that it should go to retired judges.

 

I would be disappointed to learn that a defamation suit would put this scandal behind a curtain for another two years. There needs to be full accountability.

 

If she wants to clear the air then a public enquiry would do that without the expense and secrecy of a lawsuit. 

[Kungsberg]

 

Victoria Mayor Lisa Helps says a report by B.C.’s police complaint commissioner questioning her handling of misconduct allegations against a former Victoria police chief “feels like character assassination.”

 

Or character revealing....

[lanforod]

The qualification for defamation is that the accusation/public report is untrue, correct? It isn't defamation if it's true!