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[Hotel Mike]

Just drove through Oak Bay and there are lots of signs for Hazel.

[John M.]

I counted the signs on my block this morning whilst walking the dogs. 6 for Michelle Kirby, 3 for Andrew Stinson, , 1 each for Tara Ney, Tom Croft and Kevin Murdoch. As for mayor, 3 signs for Nils 

[sam]

Focus has done a profile of the mayoral challengers in the City of Victoria, Oak Bay and Saanich elections. You can find our story on Cairine Green here: http://focusonline.ca/?q=node/789

 

David Broadland

[Neko]

This is my first time voting in Oak Bay. Does anyone know who is Pro and anti deer cull among the candidates? Thanks.

[sebberry]

Welcome to the forum, Neko

[Oak Bay Guy]

All incumbents (including both mayoral candidates) voted for a limited and humane deer cull, and then to pass the meat onto First Nations communities. The cull was postponed as the traps were vandalized elsewhere in BC. 

 

I think that decision was quite courageous despite how some may believe it callous.

 

I cannot say much about the new candidates. Of the ones I have talked to, most are for a deer management strategy of some kind, including non-lethal means such as sterilization.

 

If sterilization becomes the option, I feel this will likely raise the pilots costs. And, the deer will continue to die from cars, impale themselves on fences, or drown in backyward pools/ponds. There's also the inevitability of a 100 kilo buck getting aggressive with a person (not just dogs). 

 

This is not an easy decision for any council given the pilot's complexity, the weight of public safety, the damage deer do, and saying to yourself that killing animals is OK.

[sebberry]

Welcome to the forum, Oak Bay Guy

[Oak Bay Guy]

I'm seeing lots of Zhelka signs (as well as a few Ney, Holmes, and Johannsen signs) littering public property. Zhelka put a sign on a friend's property without permission! Nice...

 

 

The bylaw restricts election signs from being placed on public spaces. Some would argue this bylaw is unconstitutional, and wouldn't hold up in court... so, the Muni does not remove them. Is that an excuse?

 

How is this show any class or grace as a leader? 

[Coreyburger]

Ironic, given Zhelka's position of bylaw infringement when it comes to building.

[John M.]

I hate to be a hypocrite (There is nothing I love more then anonymously attacking public officials over the internet), but I must question when someone creates a VV profile within a few days of an election and within their first posts they begin attacking a specific candidate. 

[Mixed365]

I hate to be a hypocrite (There is nothing I love more then anonymously attacking public officials over the internet), but I must question when someone creates a VV profile within a few days of an election and within their first posts they begin attacking a specific candidate. 

You and I are on the exact same page. 

[Oak Bay Guy]

@John M and @Mixed365 - for the record, I've been a long time lurker, and never bothered posting before now. 

 

The sign thing irks me, especially dropping them here and there shirking bylaws (a few candidates noted), and without permission of a resident (one candidate noted).  I wouldn't care which candidate did this, I would slam them all the same.

 

Did anyone go to the debate last night?

[John M.]

 

@John M and @Mixed365 - for the record, I've been a long time lurker, and never bothered posting before now. 

 

The sign thing irks me, especially dropping them here and there shirking bylaws (a few candidates noted), and without permission of a resident (one candidate noted).  I wouldn't care which candidate did this, I would slam them all the same.

 

Did anyone go to the debate last night?

 

No. I was watching midterms. Far more interesting.

[Oak Bay Guy]

Oak Bay News highlighting Kevin's heroic tweet to remind candidates about not putting signs on public property!  I see his signs clustered with Zhelka and Holmes, so damage control maybe?

[David Bratzer]

 

I'm seeing lots of Zhelka signs (as well as a few Ney, Holmes, and Johannsen signs) littering public property. Zhelka put a sign on a friend's property without permission! Nice...

 

 

The bylaw restricts election signs from being placed on public spaces. Some would argue this bylaw is unconstitutional, and wouldn't hold up in court... so, the Muni does not remove them. Is that an excuse?

 

 

 

It might be an excuse. Most people would hold Section Two of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in higher regard than an unconstitutional bylaw in Oak Bay, particularly one designed to restrict political dialogue during municipal elections.

[David Bratzer]

 

I'm seeing lots of Zhelka signs (as well as a few Ney, Holmes, and Johannsen signs) littering public property. Zhelka put a sign on a friend's property without permission! Nice...

 

 

The bylaw restricts election signs from being placed on public spaces. Some would argue this bylaw is unconstitutional, and wouldn't hold up in court... so, the Muni does not remove them. Is that an excuse?

 

How is this show any class or grace as a leader? 

 

 

For anyone interested, here is the actual section from the Oak Bay sign bylaw:

 

Political Signs

12. The regulations of this Bylaw shall not prohibit political signs provided such signs:

(1) shall not be erected more than 30 days prior to election day;

(2) are removed within 7 days following election day; and

(3) shall not be erected on public property or where they could interfere with

traffic safety

[John M.]

I voted for:

Nils Jensen for Mayor

Michelle Kirby, Andrew Stinson, Hazel Braithwaite, Kevin Murdoch, and Heather Holmes for council. 

[todd]

 

I'm seeing lots of Zhelka signs (as well as a few Ney, Holmes, and Johannsen signs) littering public property. Zhelka put a sign on a friend's property without permission! Nice...

 

 

The bylaw restricts election signs from being placed on public spaces. Some would argue this bylaw is unconstitutional, and wouldn't hold up in court... so, the Muni does not remove them. Is that an excuse?

 

How is this show any class or grace as a leader? 

 

 

 

Where did you go Oak Bay Guy?

 

 

 

 

I think Oak Bays sign bylaw is reasonable for residential areas, no third-party signs, election signs only permitted 30 days prior to an election and must be removed within seven days. I would interpret that to mean ideological signs like the "Vote CBC", "Fawn Crossing/Expect Deer " and "Slow Down" signs would be permitted prior to an election. 

 

It's "Freedom Of Speech" not "Freedom Of Sign" there a lot of asterisks beside freedom of speech.

 

I should have the right to walk around in a residential area and be able to clear my head destress and relax I am no longer able to do that, due to someone else trying to impress their beliefs onto me.

 

I do think the bylaw could be altered to allow a residents to place a political sign on the boulevard that is touching their property during the allowed time periods however.

 

I think there is a way to force Oak Bay to challenge/enforce their own sign bylaws, just need a sign that is considered offensive to some. Apparently simple animated nudity is not enough to offend, as the statue on OB avenue taught me, so one would have to go bigger and bolder. Whatever it is I'm thinking a rotating sign would be most inappropriate. 

 

 

What would your sign say? http://www.vistaprin...ers&xnav=TopNav

[todd]

Oak Bay needs a full-time mayor about as much as BC Ferries needs go-go dancers.

 

Would be an excellent way to fill up the Seawest Lounge.