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Poll: Should Government street become a pedestrian boulevard (132 member(s) have cast votes)

Should Government street become a pedestrian boulevard from Yates street to Humbolt street (Allowing restricted single lane traffic)?

  1. Yes (86 votes [65.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.15%

  2. No (33 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. Depends (13 votes [9.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.85%

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#1001 On the Level

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Posted 21 February 2021 - 10:30 PM

I was out downtown tonight, like I am most nights. Government Street, Bastion Square, Trounce Alley. Lot of people out. No issues. 

 

Are we at a stage that we have to report a single night of no major issues as a win?


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#1002 Mike K.

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 06:58 AM

A lot of people out last night, on a Sunday in a torrential downpour? We had more rain between 6 and 8PM last night than we do in a full day, and downtown was bumpin’?

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#1003 PPPdev

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 07:42 AM

$20 says Aryze gets it and the rfp is just for the aura of transparency...


We already went on CTV news and said we aren’t going to be submitting anything, but nice try!
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#1004 lanforod

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 07:49 AM

A lot of people out last night, on a Sunday in a torrential downpour? We had more rain between 6 and 8PM last night than we do in a full day, and downtown was bumpin’?


That’s what I was thinking. No way.
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#1005 Mike K.

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 07:54 AM

Well, for what it's worth, it's a shame that Aryze's proposal won't be in the running.


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#1006 Nparker

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 07:59 AM

No proposals should be in the running. WE CAN'T AFFORD THIS!


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#1007 Greg

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:13 AM

A lot of people out last night, on a Sunday in a torrential downpour? We had more rain between 6 and 8PM last night than we do in a full day, and downtown was bumpin’?

 

 

That’s what I was thinking. No way.

 

Not a lot by "sunny July day with three cruise ships in town" standards, no. But the idea that no one goes downtown anymore because it is unsafe and unseemly is frequently overstated on VV, given that people continue to buy condos and move downtown, and even on a rainy night in February during a pandemic the Tapa Bar was full and lots of people were out and about.



#1008 Mike K.

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:46 AM

...even on a rainy night in February during a pandemic the Tapa Bar was full and lots of people were out and about.

 

 

Shark jump alert.

 

Anyways, thousands of people live downtown, and I assume many will want to step out for dinner. That's a bit different than people going downtown? But the point I think others are making is too many people are feeling vulnerable when they go downtown, and we shouldn't dismiss them, we should want local authorities to make them feel comfortable again.


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#1009 Greg

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:53 AM

Oh we definitely need a new council, and to enforce existing bylaws. And Beacon Hill Park is a travesty. But it's also OK to acknowledge that it isn't actually some post-apocalyptic nightmare downtown. 


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#1010 spanky123

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:57 AM

Well, for what it's worth, it's a shame that Aryze's proposal won't be in the running.

 

I am sure that they will have a proposal and my bet is that it gets selected :-) I don't believe that companies bidding have to submit any design ideas however. 


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#1011 Mike K.

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 09:58 AM

I don't think anybody is saying that, but we are saying downtown Victoria is hurting, and that far too many life-long Victorians are avoiding it. That's not good.


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#1012 Barrrister

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 10:00 AM

I agree that it is not a nightmare downtown but it is unpleasant enough to keep my wife and I from spending any money there . It is not a good trajectory for downtown at the moment.


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#1013 Nparker

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 10:13 AM

...we definitely need a new council, and to enforce existing bylaws. And Beacon Hill Park is a travesty.

...it isn't actually some post-apocalyptic nightmare downtown. 

Without the former, the latter seems inevitable.



#1014 Nparker

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 10:14 AM

... far too many life-long Victorians are avoiding it...

I know I am (40+ years living in the CRD)


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Posted 22 February 2021 - 01:00 PM

I am sure that they will have a proposal and my bet is that it gets selected :-) I don't believe that companies bidding have to submit any design ideas however. 

 

Wtf? How many times do we have to say it, we aren't responding to this RFP at all.


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#1016 spanky123

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 01:20 PM

Wtf? How many times do we have to say it, we aren't responding to this RFP at all.

 

I thought you said you were not submitting a design. The RFP doesn't require a design.

 

Thanks for the clarification though.


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#1017 spanky123

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 01:24 PM

I live on Pandora, half a block from Our Place, and I walk around Downtown by myself day and night, everyday. I've never once had anything remotely close to resembling an assault or threat of violence. I have 7 other friends who live in the building, including several women in their early 20s. None of them have ever had a problem. What are we all doing differently? I've seen people having a mental health crisis, wandering around screaming, but it's the kind of thing you hear from a block away and can easily avoid. I'm not saying people haven't been assaulted Downtown, and we do clearly need to do more to deal with the problems that do exist, but I really don't agree that Downtown is so scary that it needs to be avoided at all costs. There are so many interesting shops and restaurants that you're missing out on and I think the supposed danger is overblown. I've had scarier experiences walking around outside of Downtown than I have in Downtown. To me, walking through Bastion Square at night feels so much safer than say, walking around Tillicum or along the Lochside Trail near Quadra/McKenzie at night.

 

If you are a fit, capable man then you probably perceive threats differently than someone who isn't.


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#1018 Jackerbie

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 01:59 PM

So it would seem the RFP is timed with the Government Street south bike lane design consultation. CoV recently updated the engage.victoria.ca website with the James Bay routes. The design work in the RFP will connect the bike lanes on either end.

#1019 Urbanpioneer

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 02:02 PM

Why can't the homeless , residents,settlers, housies and tourists all co- exist downtown? Instead of being afraid of the homeless boogy man embrace the quirky side of Victoria people! why not have the homeless as ambassadors to the city when the cruise ships start returning? Don't push us down into the gutters let us all thrive!



#1020 aastra

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 02:10 PM

 

Why can't the homeless , residents,settlers, housies and tourists all co- exist downtown?

 

You mean go back to the way it was ~25 years ago before the exploitative political machinations went into overdrive?



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