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[LJ]

They are chopping down forest for housing. That is the very definition of urban fringe. Esquimalt or Oak Bay would be streetcar and inner ring suburbs.

But the COV was always a barren wasteland just waiting for something to be built, right?

[sdwright.vic]

But you prove the point, look there is no reason a new house should cost over $500K. I got a friend that builds them. He even tells me this. It's just the market and the land are so over inflated because of... who knows what. But IF you could keep building and still make a profit at $400K why not. The same reason why prices go up in the grocery store when there is a shortage of something, then supply returns but the prices just don't quite go back down to what they were. They figured out they could sell it at the higher price.

[RFS]

Houses still get built in markets that are not "Red hot"

[Coreyburger]

But the COV was always a barren wasteland just waiting for something to be built, right?

 

No. At one point, the urban fringe was Saanich and before that Oak Bay & Esquimalt. And Saanich used to have Langford's massively pro-growth agenda (which is why Central Saanich exists, they split off in 1950 because of it).

[LJ]

No. At one point, the urban fringe was Saanich and before that Oak Bay & Esquimalt. And Saanich used to have Langford's massively pro-growth agenda (which is why Central Saanich exists, they split off in 1950 because of it).

So it was necessary for Victoria to chop all the trees down but it wasteful for Westshore to do it. Got it.

[sebberry]

Yes, it's only urban sprawl if it happens after you were born or moved to the city.  If houses existed before that, then it's just the way it always was.

[Casual Kev]

Yes, it's only urban sprawl if it happens after you were born or moved to the city.  If houses existed before that, then it's just the way it always was.

 

Are you telling me the Coast Salish didn't first settle in Victoria because of the quaint colonial architecture and the year-round golf courses?

[Mike K.]

No. At one point, the urban fringe was Saanich and before that Oak Bay & Esquimalt. And Saanich used to have Langford's massively pro-growth agenda (which is why Central Saanich exists, they split off in 1950 because of it).

 

And fast forwarding 100 years that urban footprint has extended eight kilometers to the west as the bird flies from the border of Esquimalt, with about 1.5 kilometers of that distance being Esquimalt Harbour.

 

What are we even fretting about? Bear Mountain is 12km as the bird flies from downtown Victoria. You can't even get from one end of the City of Vancouver to the other in 16km. And it's literally the same distance (but over land without a harbour in the way) from downtown Nanaimo to Woodgrove Centre and nobody bats an eye.

[spanky123]

Most successful businesses want to maximize profits, that is a tenent of the free market economy. Although I have in the past predicted that prices could drop, the best I see happening now is a flattening of growth. The reason for the change in opinion is that there are so many large markets now with prices far in excess of what they are here that well priced inventory will get snapped up quickly for the foreseeable future by people who could move here and still pocket a small fortune.

[Bingo]

Krog wins in Nanaimo.

[nagel]

Mike this thread should be locked down and a 2018 BC municipal created.

[Bob Fugger]

Krog wins in Nanaimo.

And I immediately got an email from Michelle Stilwell about ramping up for a byelection. Too bad they have zero chance of winning it. #inbeforethelock

[Mike K.]

This is the provincial election thread. Please post 2018 municipal election-related posts in the appropriate thread.

[nagel]

I suppose you could argue it is on topic now that I think of it.

[jessief]

That’s what I figuring. Krog winning Nanaimo will now trigger a provincial byelection that could change the provincial government again.

Edited by jessief, 20 October 2018 - 08:47 PM.

[Bernard]

That’s what I figuring. Krog winning Nanaimo will now trigger a provincial byelection that could change the provincial government again.

First of all, the by-election can be held aways down the road.   Second, he does not need to resign as an MLA at all and could stay on for some time.    One of the BC Liberal cabinet ministers remained a mayor and MLA for more than a year.  Third, this is a safe NDP seat, in the current political climate there is nothing to indicate the NDP would not easily win re-election

[lanforod]

^ that's basically the analysis I got too. Now, if Plecas hadn't jumped ship for the extra cash of the Speaker role...

[Bernard]

^ that's basically the analysis I got too. Now, if Plecas hadn't jumped ship for the extra cash of the Speaker role...

The interesting thing is that Plecas is not from the NDP or the Greens and has no reason to bend the rules for the government.    Without Krog the legislature is tied and the speaker votes to maintain the status quo - no new laws can be passed.

 

I assume Krog will not resign till the fall session is done and the NDP will immediately call a by-election to ensure they have a new MLA before the house sits again in February.   In BC there is no legal requirement reason someone cannot be on a local government council and an MLA.   The Liberal MLA Peter Fassbender did this in 2013 when he decided not to resign as mayor Langley and served out his term to 2014

[lanforod]

I looked at the numbers, and it does not look like it will be tied without Krog. It looks like it would be tied only if the Liberals take Krog's seat.

[Jackerbie]

I looked at the numbers, and it does not look like it will be tied without Krog. It looks like it would be tied only if the Liberals take Krog's seat.

 

Correct, the Liberals currently have 42 seats, the GreeNDP have 44, including Krog. That changes to 42/43 without Krog, and 43/43 with a Liberal win in Nanaimo.