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#1081 Mike K.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 09:37 AM

The carbon tax will rise from 7.78 cents to 8.95 cents per litre on April 1st. The tax has risen in excess of 25% under the NDP over a period of a year, from 6.67 in 2017 to nearly nine cents.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 10:56 AM

Good. Unlike some jurisdictions that are sitting on their thumbs and avoiding any unpopular decisions to help turn around the climate disaster, we're being leaders.

 

Greta would be proud.

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#1083 RFS

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 11:56 AM

Good. Unlike some jurisdictions that are sitting on their thumbs and avoiding any unpopular decisions to help turn around the climate disaster, we're being leaders.

 

Greta would be proud.

https://www.theguard...es-future-video

 

Imagine actually believing this  :lol:



#1084 vortoozo

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 12:40 PM

Imagine not believing it.

 

While I don't suggest that a carbon tax will solve all of our issues, it does make people second guess using as much of the resource as they have been.

Should I take that trip to Tofino I was thinking about? Well, gas is pretty high so maybe I'll do something else instead.



#1085 Nparker

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:03 PM

I'd like to see some hard data on the impact rising fuel prices have on people's driving habits.



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:16 PM

Doesn't affect me at all.
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#1087 RFS

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:18 PM

It literally might affect me in the sense that I'll move somewhere with cheaper gas.  Wouldn't make me drive less


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#1088 Nparker

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:19 PM

Doesn't affect me at all.

It doesn't affect me in so much as I am not a vehicle owner, but since I rely on the transportation of goods to local merchants I can only assume increased fuel prices will be passed onto me as a consumer.


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:21 PM

I'd like to see some hard data on the impact rising fuel prices have on people's driving habits.

 

Here's some stuff I found with a quick search, albeit older. I'm sure there's more.

https://newrepublic....nsumer-behavior

This one seems to conclude that if people expect prices to drop in the short term, it will affect the way they drive, but not their vehicle purchase decisions. It does not consider what happens when prices are expected to increase permanently (eg a carbon tax): https://thenewswheel...or-buying-cars/   

There are some good tidbits in here too: https://www.arb.ca.g...price_brief.pdf

 

 

One can also look at Europe vs. North America and look at the differences in consumer behavior when faced with long term higher gas prices. Fuel efficient vehicles are much more common there.



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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:25 PM

It doesn't affect me in so much as I am not a vehicle owner, but since I rely on the transportation of goods to local merchants I can only assume increased fuel prices will be passed onto me as a consumer.

 

Sure, but they're being returned to you in other ways.

It has been proven that taxpayers are ending up ahead due to BC's carbon tax: https://www.theglobe...rticle19512237/

 

Here are some relevant quotes from the (2014) review of BC's carbon tax:

 

 

The result is that taxpayers are coming out ahead. B.C. now has the lowest personal income tax rate in Canada (with additional cuts benefiting low-income and rural residents) and one of the lowest corporate rates in North America.

 

At the same time, it's been extraordinarily effective in tackling the root cause of carbon pollution: the burning of fossil fuels. Since the tax came in, fuel use in B.C. has dropped by 16 per cent; in the rest of Canada, it's risen by 3 per cent (counting all fuels covered by the tax).

 

Here's an article from the New York Times examining the impact of BC's carbon tax in 2016: https://www.nytimes....-columbia.html 


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#1091 Nparker

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:27 PM

I guess I was hoping to see some more localized data.



#1092 Nparker

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:28 PM

Sure, but they're being returned to you in other ways.....

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#1093 vortoozo

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:34 PM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

 

Personal & corporate taxes have been reduced in BC as a direct impact of introducing the carbon tax. That's fact.



#1094 Nparker

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:37 PM

Personal & corporate taxes have been reduced in BC as a direct impact of introducing the carbon tax. That's fact.

So how come I am not seeing any more money on my take home pay? And things definitely cost more in the grocery stores.



#1095 Mike K.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:40 PM

One can also look at Europe vs. North America and look at the differences in consumer behavior when faced with long term higher gas prices. Fuel efficient vehicles are much more common there.

It’s not quite that simple.

Many European jurisdictions have insurance rates tied to engine capacity so, so fuel efficiency is not the only driving factor behind vehicle choice, and many urban areas will not handle larger vehicles due to tight roadways.

Those smaller engines, on the other hand, tend to fail much earlier and new vehicles are purchased at a higher rate, negating any environmental benefits someone would have realized by driving a smaller vehicle.

Of course the other pickle in the Europe-is-so-Green debate is the continent’s ultra cheap air travel industry. Europeans are more likely to fly cross continent on a regular basis, far more often than Canadians would, and they’ll do so for frivolous reasons due to the ultra low cost environment.
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#1096 vortoozo

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:53 PM

It’s not quite that simple.

Many European jurisdictions have insurance rates tied to engine capacity so, so fuel efficiency is not the only driving factor behind vehicle choice, and many urban areas will not handle larger vehicles due to tight roadways.

Those smaller engines, on the other hand, tend to fail much earlier and new vehicles are purchased at a higher rate, negating any environmental benefits someone would have realized by driving a smaller vehicle.

Of course the other pickle in the Europe-is-so-Green debate is the continent’s ultra cheap air travel industry. Europeans are more likely to fly cross continent on a regular basis, far more often than Canadians would, and they’ll do so for frivolous reasons due to the ultra low cost environment.

 

Putting aside the airline thing for now - because you're right - it's not great - let's look at some numbers.

 

Average age of passenger vehicles in Canada was 9.7 years in 2017 - stat from: https://autoconnex.ca/

Average age of passenger vehicles in Europe was 10.7 around the same period - stat from: http://www.aut.fi/en...opean_countries

 

So it doesn't appear that vehicles are being purchased more frequently in Europe. In fact, it seems to be the other way around.



#1097 Mike K.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 02:19 PM

The average is 12.88 for Canada and 15.36 for the US according to this piece from the TO Star - https://www.thestar....technology.html

 

But that aside, Canada would have an even higher retention rate if vehicles didn't decompose after about a decade of heavy winter driving. The US, with its milder climate zones, has a nearly 50% higher retention rate than does Europe (which is the fairer comparison as Europe has both very warm and very cold zones) but the US has more weather extremes than does Europe (from Canadian-like winters to tropic-like areas). The US also tends to have larger vehicles which can handle higher mileage/wear and tear.


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 02:24 PM

Personal & corporate taxes have been reduced in BC as a direct impact of introducing the carbon tax. That's fact.

 

It's a fact that Horgan removed the revenue neutrality aspect of the carbon tax, so when the carbon tax goes up, it's a net tax increase to 100% of British Columbians. 


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#1099 Mike K.

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 02:34 PM

Yeah, removing revenue neutrality exposed the tax for what it was intended for.


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#1100 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 02:50 PM

It's a fact that Horgan removed the revenue neutrality aspect of the carbon tax, so when the carbon tax goes up, it's a net tax increase to 100% of British Columbians. 

 

whether it was ever revenue neutral or not in the past nobody believed it anyway.  so it's not surprising that aspect has been dropped in favour of finding some other project for the increased cash.

 

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