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#1141 Mike K.

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Posted 22 March 2019 - 04:04 PM

That’s right, more freedom, more opportunities to experience the beauty of our Island.

The ultra-rich folks don’t even bother driving to Tofino. They fly in.
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Posted 22 March 2019 - 04:26 PM

But the statscan figures show that the percentage of income spent on transportation rises the more income you have.


You asked to show the carbon tax affects the poor in a negative manner. I showed two different examples of this. One even from a fairly liberal publication that stated the poor should recieve government subsidies somehow to make up for it.
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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:30 PM

And therein lies the problem. People are much more motivated to change their behaviour when they are incentivized to do so. In this case, the incentive is saving money on gas as a result of an increasing carbon tax.

Why isn't BC Hydro incentivising me then. The more electricity I use the higher the rate goes. They should be encouraging me to use more electricity not less.

They should be encouraging you to take out your gas furnace, hot water tank, stove etc. and change over to electric. Not gonna happen when they just want to charge me a higher rate for more consumption.


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Posted 22 March 2019 - 07:44 PM

Instead they incentivise you to use less. $50 a year if you use 10% less than the year before.
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Posted 22 March 2019 - 08:00 PM

and with two step pricing they punish you for heating your home with electricity 



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 10:59 PM

And therein lies the problem. People are much more motivated to change their behaviour when they are incentivized to do so. In this case, the incentive is saving money on gas as a result of an increasing carbon tax.

 

What I pay at the pump is only a part of my total carbon tax burden. 

I'll be paying about $6 in carbon tax per fill up after the April 1 increase, so say $12-18/mo in carbon tax at the pump.  By itself that might not be a significant amount, but again, the pump is only one of many places one pays this silly tax.

 

Think for a minute.  Cable TV service - do I really need those three nature channels I rarely watch?  I could save $10 a month right there.  That messaging package on my cell phone I don't really use?  There's another 10/mo.  I can switch from Shaw to TekSavvy and save $20/mo on my internet.  Some LED bulbs will pay off in the long run.  A sweater is cheaper than baseboard heating.  

 

People make decisions all the time about how to save a few bucks a month.  Unfortunately the only way to save the $18/mo in carbon tax at the pump is to finance a Nissan Leaf to the tune of $600/mo.  The carbon tax isn't an incentive. It's punitive.  


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 03:07 AM

Which takes us back to the EV subsidies in the name of environmentalism. The bigger benefit would be to help people move beyond old, tired and inefficient vehicles who currently are not in a financial position to do so, instead of incentivizing wealthy Canadians to buy an additional vehicle in the form of an EV (very, very few purchasers of an EV will rely solely on one vehicle in their household). What’s better for the environment? Getting a smokey Buick off the road, or putting yet another car in a driveway?

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 06:24 AM

Then even if they made it easier for a person in a poor financial position to buy an EV, where would they charge it when at home? I don't see low rent buildings adding charging stations.
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Posted 23 March 2019 - 06:31 AM

there are so many reasons why making home charge stations mandatory is so wrong wasteful and backwards.

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#1150 Mike K.

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 06:34 AM

It's the only way to maintain enough charging capacity considering how long it takes to charge even the most advanced EV with the fastest charger.

 

And why not have them at home? If the vehicle is just sitting there, it's weird for it not to be charging if it can be charging.

 

The bigger concern ought to be what effect these vehicles will have on the power grid in the dead of winter.


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#1151 Rob Randall

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 07:43 AM

Funny that nighttime is when BC Hydro imports dirt cheap coal and nuclear power since it's difficult for Washington and Alberta to dial down a power plant when demand is low.



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Posted 23 March 2019 - 08:17 AM

Then even if they made it easier for a person in a poor financial position to buy an EV, where would they charge it when at home? I don't see low rent buildings adding charging stations.


The elephant in the room is how in the hell are people going to recharge electric cars in multi family buildings? The cost to put in chargers is outrageous, from what I have seen.

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 08:18 AM

Why isn't BC Hydro incentivising me then. The more electricity I use the higher the rate goes. They should be encouraging me to use more electricity not less.


The other elephant in the room is that electrical infrastructure is incredibly expensive. When our economy is "electrified", electricity will no longer be cheap.
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Posted 23 March 2019 - 08:23 AM

The elephant in the room is how in the hell are people going to recharge electric cars in multi family buildings? The cost to put in chargers is outrageous, from what I have seen.

I am sure as hell not going to pay for someone else to charge their EV at my condo building. If EV owners want this they will need to pay the full installation and usage costs.



#1155 Mike K.

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 08:25 AM

You should see the lashback when the issue of EV levies is raised. EV fans lose their minds when you point out the inevitable: when gasoline is no longer the dominant source of transport related taxation and carbon taxation, it will have to come from somewhere.

Government is already discussing the idea of taxing automation (hello autonomous vehicles?) as a means of generating income lost from income taxation.
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Posted 23 March 2019 - 08:29 AM

Government is already discussing the idea of taxing automation (hello autonomous vehicles?) as a means of generating income lost from income taxation.

 

To think otherwise  is foolish.  They'll have to double-up on automation taxation though - it's not just the lost income tax from the (now automated) workers, it's the welfare state that has to prop up the (now automated) workers who are unemployed.  


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 08:52 AM

It's the only way to maintain enough charging capacity considering how long it takes to charge even the most advanced EV with the fastest charger.

And why not have them at home? If the vehicle is just sitting there, it's weird for it not to be charging if it can be charging.

The bigger concern ought to be what effect these vehicles will have on the power grid in the dead of winter.

I don’t mean installing them at homes per se. I mean mandatory installation only to find none of them used. rough in fine. but don’t make people buy chargers.

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 10:31 AM

I am sure as hell not going to pay for someone else to charge their EV at my condo building. If EV owners want this they will need to pay the full installation and usage costs.


It will be difficult to retrofit chargers into condo parkades as I’m sure this sentiment will be the consensus. In our building the developer installed two chargers during construction. They were dormant for 4 years until recently being activated. Use is by subscription for the flat rate of $20 per month initially, pretty good deal for EV owners. Those who do not own EVs pay nothing as it should be.
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Posted 23 March 2019 - 10:44 AM

The elephant in the room is how in the hell are people going to recharge electric cars in multi family buildings? The cost to put in chargers is outrageous, from what I have seen.

 

I've had a Tesla four years and so many things have improved in those four years in terms of charging infrastructure.

 

You have a Model 3 with a range of 500 km and you have 16 superchargers at Uptown. Personally, I would be 100% confident living in a building without access to charging. Go to Uptown once a week for 60 minutes and you are good for the week.

 

I have 125,000 km on my car and I've had range anxiety literally once (I only have 370 km worth of range) as I didn't have enough time to supercharge trying to catch the last COHO ferry out of Port Angeles and I made it onto the COHO with 4% battery life. That problem is now solved as well as there is a new supercharger in Port Angeles as of last year.

 

Not to mention developers will start building smarter too. Even when they don't you still find solutions. At my condo in Croatia I just plug into the electric door opener socket and I get about 14 km/h.

 

When I buy something in Victoria in the pre-sale contract I just add that the developer will designate my parking spot next to an electrical plug and I get about 8 km/h. 

 

Croatia solution 

 

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Parking spot I had at Lyra in Victoria (at Encore my spot is also next to plug, same scenario).

 

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 11:03 AM

So then your solution is to have everyone else pay for the charging of your car?
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