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[Mike K.]

In some buildings the strays will assume the bylaws that EV’s charge as part of common property, and it will be up to individual stratas to switch the bylaws to a monthly fee. That’s if they’re not individual metered and padded to the actual user.

[Nparker]

....That’s if they’re not individual metered and padded to the actual user.

Individually metered is the only fair way to make this work.

[jonny]

What does km/h mean in regards to electric vehicle charging?

If you think free mall charging is going to be available in 10 years, you're dreaming.

[laconic]

Cost of charging my electric car for a year - $150 (We only drive about 10K a year)

Cost of running the 5 50W light bulbs in my elevator foyer for a year - $150 (times 19 floors)

Cost of 10 MR16 5W bulbs - $150 (for the really expensive ones)

 

The 50W foyer bulbs burnt out in about a year. I cried every time they replaced them with the same 50W bulb rather than a LED. After two years of suggesting strata finally did a building-wide replacement (when they could have been saving with single burnt out bulb LED replacements that would pay for themselves in about 4 months).

 

I joked that I would buy a case of 10 LEDs for the building and I would have easily paid for my electric car charging for the next 20 years.

 

In our building the cost of each unit of paying for my car's electricity would be under a loonie each.

Owner/tenants in buildings already pay costs for the collective good, regardless of usage (in our building, hot water, gym, amenity room, etc). The cost of this eco-friendly option isn't onerous.

 

$20 a month isn't really fair. In my case due to my driving habits it is above cost, while others who drive all day around town in a Tesla are getting a deal. Monitor usage to start and only begin charging when the costs are significant. Even then, it would be better to install a charger that recorded usage for individuals.

[laconic]

What does km/h mean in regards to electric vehicle charging?

If you think free mall charging is going to be available in 10 years, you're dreaming.

 

Free mall charging isn't particularly effective unless you're there for a long time. My car charges at about 40 kilometers each hour on a mall charger.

 

If I pick someone up at the airport and plug in there, a half hour on the charger while I'm waiting gives me about 20 kilometers. My one-way drive is longer than that.

[Nparker]

...it would be better to install a charger that recorded usage for individuals.

This.

[MarkoJ]

So then your solution is to have everyone else pay for the charging of your car?

 

Well yea, until there is enough will power to do something about it. 

 

My point is even in the current environment you can easily make an EV work in a building with some thought/planning but the environment for re-charge will only improve. Cars will have better range, there will be way more chargers, and the charging time will drop significantly. 

 

Yes km/h is the recharge rate. So if I get 8 km/h and I arrive at home at 9 pm and leave at 8 pm I would recharge 8 km x 11 which would be enough for most people.

[tjv]

I forget from my brothers firm paid to install EV chargers in the underground of their office building including bringing in a massive new electrical service and transformer just to power them.  I want to say 20k per charger, but could be wrong (whatever the number was it was huge thou)

[Nparker]

As a strata owner I don't currently pay for the gasoline for my neighbour's internal combustion car. I can see no reason why I should pay for the "fuel" for their electric vehicle.

[sdwright.vic]

Something, something, morals...

[Nparker]

Something, something, morals...

Genesis 4:9

[Rob Randall]

Genesis 4:9

 

 Luke 6:38

[MarkoJ]

As a strata owner I don't currently pay for the gasoline for my neighbour's internal combustion car. I can see no reason why I should pay for the "fuel" for their electric vehicle.

 

The entire concept of strata is not fair. I have a 430 sq/ft unit at the Promontory I've rented before to a young couple. Who is going to be using the front desk concierge person, amenity room, gym, elevators, throwing out more garbage, etc. more the young couple or the single retired person in a 1,200 sq/ft unit paying three times the strata fees?

 

I wouldn't lose sleep if 136 units at the Encore had to absorb my $20 per month in hydro consumption from a common plug and worse case scenario, I would gladly pay $50 per month need be if I thought it was such a huge moral dilemma, but I don't find it to be. 

Edited by MarkoJ, 23 March 2019 - 09:35 PM.

[Nparker]

....I wouldn't lose sleep if 136 units at the Encore had to absorb my $20 per month in hydro consumption from a common plug and worse case scenario, I would gladly pay $50 per month need be if I thought it was such a huge moral dilemma, but I don't find it to be. 

It's not a matter of a shared amenity or even the cost of that amenity; it's the fact that it's unprecedented for a strata to pay for the fuel for someone's vehicle. Maybe I'll bill my strata the cost of a monthly bus pass.

[sdwright.vic]

^^then offer to pay the $50 a month.

*morals

Edited by sdwright.vic, 23 March 2019 - 09:57 PM.

[sdwright.vic]

oh wait... right ©realtor has more rights then normal folk

[Mike K.]

Ok, folks, let’s be respectful.

If a strata provides a service to its residents, and it’s available to all who may wish to use it, so be it. Many stratas offer services and amenities that will never be used by all residents, maybe not even most residents, but they’re there. It all evens out in the end.

[Victoria Watcher]

also the “strata” are the collective owners. they make the rules by voting.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 24 March 2019 - 07:03 AM.

[MarkoJ]

^^then offer to pay the $50 a month.

*morals

 

I'll also call my municipality and note that I want to pay because I feel bad about the free charging stations which are paid by taxpayer money. 

 

I'll also call up the BC government and ask to return the $5,000 cheque they sent me when I bought my Tesla because I didn't really need it. Maybe I'll also add how I can't sleep at night because I am not paying the carbon tax at the pump.

 

If the strata wants to charge me, they can charge me. I don't see a bylaw that says I am not allowed to plug into a plug that is next to my stall.

Edited by MarkoJ, 24 March 2019 - 07:32 AM.

[Mike K.]

Yeah, it’s such small potatoes that administering the actual levy would likely be more costly than the income it generates.

It’s even too expensive to incorporate a pay terminal at these chargers as the monthly terminal fee, the technology and security implications would be daunting for the few vehicles making use of the chargers.