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[Victoria Watcher]

ya if she has flipped that's fine but maybe she should have checked with the family before she opposed one.  she opposed it based on money laundering and now she will have to walk that back somehow.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 14 January 2019 - 08:45 AM.

[Nparker]

Money laundering could never happen at a FN-run casino.

[spanky123]

Money laundering could never happen at a FN-run casino.

 

My guess is that Helps has already cut a deal with the FN and now she is trying to weasel out of her earlier statements or even perhaps make sure that the City itself doesn't try to compete on a proposal. I said a couple years ago now that the old BC Hydro site would be the location.

Edited by spanky123, 14 January 2019 - 09:26 AM.

[Mike K.]

When Helps made her initial statement we had surmised that there could be an FN angle here.

[Victoria Watcher]

put it right on the corner of government and pembroke and have a nice drive-on lobby for cabs and hotel shuttles etc.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 14 January 2019 - 10:06 AM.

[Nparker]

put it right on the corner of government and discovery and have a nice drive-on lobby for cabs and hotel shuttles etc.

Or maybe build it as part of a new hotel/resort complex.

[Jackerbie]

Or maybe build it as part of a new hotel/resort complex.

 

The views from that sixth floor penthouse will be amazing

[Victoria Watcher]

Or maybe build it as part of a new hotel/resort complex.

 

that's fine but have the casino entry where i say.   it'll need 20x more than just its own hotel patrons.

[Victoria Watcher]

The views from that sixth floor penthouse will be amazing

 

the family gets a special exemption from old town height guidelines.

[Nparker]

that's fine but have the casino entry where i say...

For sure. 

[spanky123]

When Helps made her initial statement we had surmised that there could be an FN angle here.

 

No doubt. The FN get the money and Victoria gets to pick up the tab for all of the policing and social costs?

[Nparker]

If there's no monetary gain for the CoV then there should be no casino approval regardless of who gets to run it.

[Victoria Watcher]

reconciliation though

[29er Radio]

It sounds like Councillor Alto made the proposal not Mayor Helps.

[Nparker]

It sounds like Councillor Alto made the proposal not Mayor Helps.

I am sure that's what Her Worseship wants everyone to believe. 

[spanky123]

So Ms. Alto's rationale for allowing a FN casino but opposing one run by licensed operators is that "there are examples of FN run casinos that are doing well". https://www.timescol...able-1.23602823

 

Really.

 

It appears that not only does the largest FN run casino in this country have issues with money laundering, but they also allow gamblers to run tabs (who would think that that might be an issue) and don't seem to be able to properly account for where their own money goes..

 

https://www.cbc.ca/n...p-fear-1.734433

https://www.simcoe.c...rested-in-scam/

https://www.muskokar...nly-in-ontario/

https://www.thestar....honey_band.html

 

You would think that Ms. Alto would be aware of all of this as her outspoken "family member", Janice Simcoe, hails from that band.

Edited by spanky123, 17 January 2019 - 08:04 AM.

[Cassidy]

There are many examples of First Nations (or "Indian" in the U.S.) casinos doing very well, but the dirty truth about organized gambling anywhere in the world is that it's all prone to ongoing criminal activity ... which is why there are government enforcement bodies in every political jurisdiction where legal casinos are permitted by law to operate.

 

But just like simply having a police department doesn't in and of itself stop crime, having a government gambling enforcement body doesn't stop all money laundering, loan sharking, etc, etc.

 

Crime and legal casinos go hand in hand in 2019, as they have always gone hand in hand, but the Federal and Provincial governments continue to license casinos on the premise that (like police departments do for society in general) they are doing their best to enforce laws as they relate to legal gambling, and to create opportunities for law abiding citizens to gamble in a comfortable and secure environment if they so choose to.

 

Any casino executive, law enforcement officer, government inspector, or politician claiming the possibility of a 100% honest bricks and mortar casino operation is, quite simply, an outright liar.

[spanky123]

^Agreed. Money laundering and crime is prevalent at any casino. Victoria either wants a casino or it doesn't. Alto's suggestion that FN can be trusted while settlers can't be is insulting. 

[spanky123]

Apparently council decided not to decide last night.

[Nparker]

Apparently council decided not to decide last night.

How decidedly indecisive of them.