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[spanky123]

tomorrow is the big day!

 

there might be some more information here not sure.

 

 

https://pub-victoria...English&Item=11

 

I suspect that a developer will propose a multi-use facility that the City will pay for and operate.  

[Victoria Watcher]

I suspect that a developer will propose a multi-use facility that the City will pay for and operate.  

 

i don't understand.  what's in it for the developer?  i mean more so than just say the developer/builder the city is going to hire to build the crystal?

 

in the case of our arena "what's in it for the developer?" was that the city paid for it and the developer can run it for profit as he sees fit for 25 or 30 years or whatever the agreements are.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 February 2020 - 07:29 AM.

[spanky123]

i don't understand.  what's in it for the developer?  i mean more so than just say the developer/builder the city is going to hire to build the crystal?

 

in the case of our arena "what's in it for the developer?" was that the city paid for it and the developer can run it for profit as he sees fit for 25 or 30 years or whatever the agreements are.

 

Probably something similar to the firehall. A developer owns or has optioned land and offers to sell a portion of it to the City as part of a larger development which gets bonus density and exemptions from amenity contributions. 

 

I think the City's biggest concern is that they know they won't get a referendum passed with their current proposal so they are trying to structure something that eliminates the need for a referendum or sweetens the deal a lot.

Edited by spanky123, 06 February 2020 - 07:56 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

oh i see.  you had phrased it as a "multi use facility" rather than development.  ya i could see that.  but i also don't think this current council is into that kind of arrangement.  they like to work all aspects of the project.

 

quite frankly i think today's city hall discussion on the thing will be must-watch tv.  i've set my tivo to capture the stream.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 February 2020 - 07:59 AM.

[Linear Thinker]

The project update was removed from the COTW agenda this morning.

There was an in camera meeting prior. Once the COTW meeting broadcast is available, you can hear the Mayor's explanation at the start.

I infer the school site is off the table.

[Nparker]

The CoV's management of this project is completely laughable and it's years away from even breaking ground.

[spanky123]

The City has issued a release that basically says that since the discussion about the pool now involved land acquisition future meetings will be held in camera. Like the firehall, in my opinion the next we will hear about the pool is after the Mayor has signed an agreement to build one.

[Victoria Watcher]




Update: Crystal Pool and Wellness Centre Replacement Project

Date: Thursday, February 6, 2020
For Immediate Release

 

VICTORIA, BC — In this morning’s Closed Council Meeting, Victoria City Council directed staff to explore new opportunities to locate the Crystal Pool and Wellness Centre replacement facility, consistent with prior direction that the new building will be located in the North Park or Hillside Quadra neighbourhoods. 

 

These new opportunities emerged after Council gave direction on January 9 to bring forward a report detailing the six sites that have been previously assessed. That report is available here.

 

As such, Council has deferred consideration of this matter until the new opportunities are investigated. Because this involves potential land acquisitions, the City is not able to provide more information publicly until staff complete their work. Staff will be reporting back to Council in a timely manner.

 

Council is committed to replacing the facility and ensuring that the community has access to a new health and wellness facility that responds to the diverse needs of the public.

 

There is an active maintenance program in place for the current Crystal Pool to mitigate risks to ongoing operations while the replacement project moves forward.

 

Once a preferred site has been identified, staff will develop an updated scope, timeline and budget to complete the next phase of work.

 

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[Victoria Watcher]

Careful what you wish for NPNA. You might get to keep your greenspace while the pool moves to Quadra Village.

[Nparker]

 

Council has deferred consideration of this matter until the new opportunities are investigated

And how many times have we been fed this line?

[Victoria Watcher]

And how many times have we been fed this line?

 

• when the arena idea came up
• when the central high idea came up

[On the Level]

Careful what you wish for NPNA. You might get to keep your greenspace while the pool moves to Quadra Village.

No problem...they still get a Community Centre, Community Kitchen and Community City Hall for the new "NPNA Inclusivity Centre Of Enlightenment". Membership is free and comes with a tie-dye t-shirt and sandals.

[Nparker]

And a monthly award from the Mayor.

[aastra]

I think everyone will be happy as long as some surface parking remains at Central Park. Doesn't matter whether you like to think of yourself as an environmentalist, an urbanist, a progressive, a conservative, a communist, or etc. In all cases the main objective should be to preserve and protect Victoria's surface parking.

[Nparker]

...In all cases the main objective should be to preserve and protect Victoria's surface parking.

Exactly, lest some greedy developer gets their hands on it and destroys perfectly good older, single family homes in the process.

Edited by Nparker, 06 February 2020 - 01:59 PM.

[Tom Braybrook]

no city facility is expected to cost-recover.

...where i come from, we were prepared for recreational facilities to lose money, that is normal, but a  stand-alone, purpose built parking lot would be expected to at least recover costs...

 

so if the parking was part of the facilty, no cost recovery, but built on another site, where use from other than the recreation facility was expected...that is a different matter...

 

...of course, i need to remember that this is the CoV...

[Victoria Watcher]

the current crystal pool parking lot has no cost recovery it's free.

[Victoria Watcher]

We have asked that the project be built in one of the large city-owned parking lots that blight this area, recently referred by some profiteers as the “Stadium District.” The thousands of us who live here refer to it as the place we raise our kids, participate in community life and where we proudly, but often barely, afford to live.

 

We have asked that the project include much-needed affordable child-care spaces, a community kitchen and a full-size indoor gymnasium. Those pleas have been echoed through many letters to mayor and council over the years.

 

A single-purpose aquatic centre does not provide the variety of out-of-water and non-sport recreation and community needs required of Victoria’s single recreation centre, situated adjacent to the commercial core and in growing neighbourhoods that do not have community centres. These centres provide 80 per cent of all child-care spaces in Victoria.

 

 

 

https://www.timescol...pool-1.24069632

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 06 February 2020 - 06:11 PM.

[Nparker]

"profiteers"

 

Oi vey. 

[Tom Braybrook]

...if i remember correctly, parking structures require 80% occupancy/use in order to break even...they can't be empty, except, overnight, or they just bleed money...

 

 

the current crystal pool parking lot has no cost recovery it's free.

 

 

the current crystal pool parking lot has no cost recovery it's free.

...as it should be, as part of the recreational facility... the context of cost recovery was raised in response to a suggestion of a second layer of parking at the RAP...which is a whole different animal...

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