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#801 Jill

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 11:30 AM

When you write "he was routinely asked to manage costs..." you mean Manak, not Laur, right?



#802 spanky123

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 02:40 PM

When you write "he was routinely asked to manage costs..." you mean Manak, not Laur, right?

 

I mean Laur. Darren was referring to when he was watch commander having to limit hours and resources to fit in the operating budget.



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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:29 PM

Manak is the new chief.


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#804 Nparker

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:31 PM

Manak is the new chief.

Colour me stunned.  :P



#805 spanky123

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 05:10 PM

So last Wednesday Helps is on CFAX and is asked when a new police chief will be chosen. She responds that she hopes to be able to provide a public update in a month or so.

Last Thursday Darren Laur goes public with his complaint against the Police Board and questions about Del Manak and his potential (not proven) involvement are raised on social media

Today Del is announced as the new chief without any internal or external review having been conducted.


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#806 rmpeers

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:03 AM

TC story today suggests $900K spent by police board on investigation and legal fees.

Mayor denies the money came from front line policing. She of course sounds eager to move on; but I think there are some questions to be answered before we can all join her in wanting to put it all behind us.
E.g...

So where did all that money come from?

Was there merit to the various charges and allegations?

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#807 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:34 AM

What's interesting is that if council was supposed to be required to approve spending of that money, is that both Esq. and Victoria councils would have to approve. How much you want to bet it's only CoV taxpayers footing the bill?


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#808 spanky123

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:53 AM

TC story today suggests $900K spent by police board on investigation and legal fees.

Mayor denies the money came from front line policing. She of course sounds eager to move on; but I think there are some questions to be answered before we can all join her in wanting to put it all behind us.
E.g...

So where did all that money come from?

Was there merit to the various charges and allegations?

 

The money came from the VicPD coffee fund. Helps promised to provide a full accounting of the costs yet it takes an FOI act request to get part of the expenditures. What the TC article fails to point out is that only 3 of 9 issues were rejected by Hinskens. The others have proceeded and appear to have merit. 

 

The bottom line is that had Helps and Desjardins not tried to cover up the alleged 'unwanted physical touching' (otherwise known as assault), sexual harassment, and discreditable conduct then we would not have been on the hook for any of this. The unfortunate this is that with Elsner gone the OPCC will not likely find that it is in the public good to release a report of his findings and thus the only detail we will ever get is what Helps decides to tell us.


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#809 rmpeers

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 08:46 AM

Does anyone expect we will ever get anything resembling an explanation regarding Elsner and the many (and serious) questions surrounding what happened?

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:45 AM

^ Helps promised a public accounting of the costs associated with Elsner. Other than an accounting for some of the legal expenses my bet is that she reneges on any further disclosure.

 

The PCC said that he would provide his final report to the public. I would give a 50/50 on that. The PCC is under no obligation to release anything and only releases information when it is deemed to be in the public interest. Either because it was part of Elsner's 'resignation' agreement or now that Elsner is gone it is no longer of public interest this could go either way. 


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#811 57WestHills

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 01:20 PM

The OPCC has to release part of the info simply because there's still an investigation involving another Police officer that started the whole chain of events. Who knows when that will be though.
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#812 Mike K.

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 02:35 PM

Isn't that police officer leaving the force?

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#813 57WestHills

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:25 PM

Nope (not the guy going to Edmonton)

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#814 rmpeers

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 10:04 AM

Disciplinary hearing now delayed until late October, apparently.

#815 spanky123

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 12:41 PM

So his lawyer was appointed more than a month ago and the application comes in the day of the hearing?



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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:32 AM

Another delay.  To October 27th.  No lawyer.


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Posted 16 October 2017 - 10:40 AM

Another delay.  To October 27th.  No lawyer.

 

One has to think at this point if he does not have a lawyer it is because he is choosing not to hire one.



#818 rmpeers

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 12:26 PM

One has to think at this point if he does not have a lawyer it is because he is choosing not to hire one.


A cynic might even think this is just another desparate delaying tactic to drag this sorry saga out for as long as possible.

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:36 PM

A cynic might even think this is just another desparate delaying tactic to drag this sorry saga out for as long as possible.

 

The reality is that the details of the hearing will never be made public and even in the worst case scenario Elsner will never face any discipline since he has left the force. I doubt he even shows for the hearing.



#820 rmpeers

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Posted 16 October 2017 - 01:53 PM

The reality is that the details of the hearing will never be made public and even in the worst case scenario Elsner will never face any discipline since he has left the force. I doubt he even shows for the hearing.


What about the other aspects, e.g. allegation that funds earmarked for policing were used for a communications consultant to help manage the issue? Do you think we will ever hear anymore about that?

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