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#4281 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 12:22 PM

But even with our worst nuclear disasters, nuclear energy is orders of magnitude safer to human health than coal.

 

yes coal might kill as many as a million people every year worldwide.  hard to know the exact figures though.



#4282 Mike K.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 02:06 PM

Nuclear is safer because we haven't had to deal with its after-effects just yet, like we will when containment measures start to fail in 100 to 200 years.


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#4283 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 03:01 PM

that's not really an issue.  but if it is one we can deal with 100 or 200 years down the line with that technology at the time.  but hey if you are ok to kill 1 million with coal now every year cool.  that's 100 or 200 million people you'll kill before you have to worry about spent nuclear fuel.

 

essentially you can keep repackaging it.  in the grand scheme of things it's a tiny amount of volume.

 

As of June 30, 2018, Canada has an inventory of about 2.9 million used nuclear fuel bundles. If stacked like cordwood, all this used nuclear fuel could fit into eight hockey rinks from the ice surface to the top of the boards. At the end of the planned operation of Canada's existing nuclear reactors, the number of used fuel bundles could total about 5.2 million.

 


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#4284 Tom Braybrook

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 03:29 PM

Here’s a bold prediction for the future of electric vehicles: We will never, ever have enough charging stations to allow us to convert all of our infernal- combustion-powered cars — 300 million and counting in North America — to battery power. Yes, I know Ford just announced its 12,000-strong FordPass Charging Network, which will help “customers confidentially switch to an all-electric lifestyle.” But the dirty secret about the EV segment is that no one — not electric vehicle manufacturer or charging infrastructure supplier — has any idea how we’ll service all those vehicles if we were really to convert 100 per cent of them to electric propulsion. Nobody.

 

 

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 07:09 PM

^ Battery swapping it is then.  BRB, standardizing an EV battery pack across manufacturers...



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Posted 18 October 2019 - 07:17 PM

I don’t agree with the article. all we need is chargers to be as prevalent as block heater plugins are in Winnipeg or Calgary. simply everywhere a car parks for any length of time will need a charger. home work and (long) shopping. it’s not that hard to imagine. the market will adapt better if municipalities stopped giving away the power. private garages and parking lots should lead the way.

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 07:18 PM

^ Battery swapping it is then.  BRB, standardizing an EV battery pack across manufacturers...

Lightning port, usb c, usb b, usb a, mini usb, micro usb, usb 3, thunderbolt. Yeah, we will get those manufactures to standardize their battery packs.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 07:46 AM

There are 600,000 vehicles insured on Vancouver Island as of 2017. In 2013 there were 550,000.

How exactly do we plan to supply enough electricity to power even 100,000 vehicles drawing from the grid during peak periods of use?

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:16 AM

There are 600,000 vehicles insured on Vancouver Island as of 2017. In 2013 there were 550,000.

How exactly do we plan to supply enough electricity to power even 100,000 vehicles drawing from the grid during peak periods of use?

that would depend on which 100 k vehicles they are and how many km they drive

 

if they are like me, people who drive little, then my solar panels on the roof provide plenty of juice


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#4290 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:24 AM

There are 600,000 vehicles insured on Vancouver Island as of 2017. In 2013 there were 550,000.

How exactly do we plan to supply enough electricity to power even 100,000 vehicles drawing from the grid during peak periods of use?

 

you use smart-metering and time-of-day pricing to make sure 95% of that charging is off-peak.  easy.  that's why we have smart meters.


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#4291 Mike K.

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:24 AM

But we’re talking about people who are charging up at the mall.

Even if they’re there for 30 minutes they’re drawing power, and so are 100,000 other vehicles charging concurrently in a public space, if we assume that charging will be available anywhere you park your car during business hours.

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:28 AM

"the market" will make it just fine.  if you can charge at home from 11pm to 5am for half the price of the mall few will charge at the mall.  just watch it'll work itself out.  free markets do that all the time.  it's not like we are trading out 600000 cars for electric tomorrow.  


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#4293 Mike K.

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:43 AM

But we were just talking about home charging not being necessary.

Talk is cheap, solutions are not.

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:45 AM

"the market" will make it just fine.  if you can charge at home from 11pm to 5am for half the price of the mall few will charge at the mall.  just watch it'll work itself out.  free markets do that all the time.  it's not like we are trading out 600000 cars for electric tomorrow.  

true - at present it costs about $2 to charge a typical ev - and a level 2 charger runs around $700 plus install ( rebates available now make it less)

 

the minimum $50/month energy saving vs. gas more or less pays for the charger in the first year (never mind savings on maintenance and other operational costs)

 

so it is safe to remove a bundle of those future electric cars from the "public" charging bottleneck - and that is the number that is key to the problem



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Posted 19 October 2019 - 08:51 AM

But we were just talking about home charging not being necessary.

Talk is cheap, solutions are not.

 

why do you assume serious shortages though?  what are you short of in your life?  water?  power?  red wine?  shortages don't happen in free economies.  just let the market do its job.

 

charge at home charge on the road charge at the grocery store whatever it'll work out with some type of blend.  the blend will be determined by electricity cost and charger installation cost and charging times and convenience of locations.  

 

right this very moment some people in victoria are deciding to hook up to natural gas at their home.  some that bbq lots still take their propane bottle for a refill at the gas station or store even though they have a natural gas line at the foot of their front lawn.  they each made a choice.  choice is great.

 

some people drink water from their home tap.  some buy bottled water and bring it home.  others have a water cooler and a truck brings them big bottles.  more choice.


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#4296 laconic

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 09:00 AM

You'd have to spend a lot of time at the mall.

 

A level 2 charger gives about 40km of charge in an hour.



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Posted 19 October 2019 - 09:03 AM

i think we all presume charging times will come down.  



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Posted 19 October 2019 - 09:03 AM

I’m not saying there will be shortages. What I am saying is providing so much additional capacity will come at a cost, and that cost will be passed on to all users of hydro’s power.

Look at the fracas over Site C. We’re going to need two, maybe three more over the medium term to sustain all of the magic.

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#4299 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 09:17 AM

I’m not saying there will be shortages. What I am saying is providing so much additional capacity will come at a cost, and that cost will be passed on to all users of hydro’s power.

Look at the fracas over Site C. We’re going to need two, maybe three more over the medium term to sustain all of the magic.

 

ya that's not a political reality in this country.  we'll likely just import more usa power as we need it.  like how we import foreign oil even though we have more than enough ourselves.  it'll all work out.  

 

right now bc has a hydro production capacity of 16000 megawatts.  site c is only 1100 mw.   it's tiny on the grand scale of things.

 

right now transportation accounts for about 30% of bc's total energy consumption.  i'm sure we can pretty easily find that almost all in electricity if we scout around a bit over the next 20 years. sumas could have another thermal electricity unit onstream in just 2-3 years from scratch.  "sumas 2" was to be a bigger generator than site c by about 30%.


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Posted 19 October 2019 - 09:19 AM

USA coal/gas/petroleum power for our electric cars. Perfect.

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