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[LJ]

With the DC fast chargers able to give you an 85% charge in 18 minutes I wouldn't bother putting a charger in my garage, I would just go charge up once a week or so.

[Mike K.]

How many people do not reach level 2?

Even at level 2 rates it costs me less than $10 per 500km of city driving in the summer with regenerative braking. How does that compare to gasoline?

It’s not an apples to apples comparison as you don’t pay the level of taxation tagged onto gasoline, and if you push above the 2nd tier hydro threshold because of your EV you’re now paying 50% more for your hydro use.

Over 50% of the cost of every litre of gasoline is taxation. That’s coming for EVs.

[sebberry]

Over 50% of the cost of every litre of gasoline is taxation. That’s coming for EVs.

 

So then there will be even less incentive for me to switch... 

[Victoria Watcher]

Tesla Now Has More Than 1.25 Million Pre-Orders For The Cybertruck

 

Tesla received 17,000 reservations for the Cybertruck last week alone, according to an unofficial reservation tracker.

 

People are still submitting reservations for the Tesla Cybertruck at a remarkable rate almost two years after the electric pickup’s public unveiling.

 

 

Last week alone, Tesla has received more than 17,000 orders for the Cybertruck, bringing the total to more than 1.25 million with only months remaining until the start of production. That means that around 250,000 pre-orders have been placed since May 2021, when the reservation spreadsheet exceeded the 1 million-mark.

 

According to data coming from an online reservation tracker created by fans, the Tesla Cybertruck has unofficially racked up 1,256,487 pre-orders so far. Should they materialize into firm orders, Tesla would pocket a whopping $79 billion in revenue.

 

 

https://insideevs.co...exceed-1250000/

 

 

 

Ford F-150 Lightning electric pickup reservations surpass 120,000

 

https://techcrunch.c...surpass-120000/

 

 

 

 

 

both companies accept $100 refundable deposits.  but tesla is already outselling "the best-selling pickup truck in the world".  by more than 10x.

 

 

https://www.tomsguid...c-truck-is-best

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 August 2021 - 11:13 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

https://www.statista...cle-deliveries/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Could Tesla Be Selling 10 Million Cars A Year By End Of Decade?

 

Rekha Khandelwal, writing in The Motley Fool, argues that Tesla could be selling nearly 10 million cars per year by 2030, if current trends continue. Between 2016 and 2020, Tesla’s deliveries grew at an average annual rate of 65%. The company is forecasting an annual growth rate of 50% for the next several years. If Tesla reaches the 50% target in each of the next 4 years, then drops back to an average of 25% after that, there’s your 10 million by the end of the decade.

 

https://insideevs.co...n-sales-future/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 August 2021 - 12:25 PM.

[Mike K.]

both companies accept $100 refundable deposits.  but tesla is already outselling "the best-selling pickup truck in the world".  by more than 10x.

 

That best-selling pick-up truck in the world sells a million units per year, though.

[Victoria Watcher]

That best-selling pick-up truck in the world sells a million units per year, though.

 

i never compare what tesla is doing compared to the ICE manufacturers' ICE vehicles.  they had a 100-year head start.

 

 

but when one manufacturers very first truck outsells the other guy's first electric truck by 10x that is saying something.  

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 August 2021 - 01:22 PM.

[Tom Braybrook]

i never compare what tesla is doing compared to the ICE manufacturers' ICE vehicles.  they had a 100-year head start.

 

 

 

but when one manufacturers very first truck outsells the other guy's first electric truck by 10x that is saying something.  

it hasn't OUTSOLD it yet...only our-reserved it! we will see what happens when such vehicles actually appear in the real world!

[Mike K.]

Aren’t most of those refundable $100 deposits just nerd dares from Appleby's outings?

It’s going to take Tesla four years to produce the current reservations. I don’t know how much appetite there will be to wait for a post-apocalyptic pick-up. The apocalypse won’t wait.

[rjag]

I placed my order for the CyberTruck November 2019 but I also placed an order for the F150 Lightning and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one hedging here. I far prefer the Ford over the Tesla as it doesn't look like a clown car but will wait and see who comes calling first. 

[Victoria Watcher]

so if 120,000 people hedged their bets just like you did that means that over 1.1 million people that have deposits on teslas do not have a deposit on the f-150 too.  and every single person that has a deposit on the f-150 also has one on tesla.

 

the difference is OVER 10X.  and quite frankly all the specs for the 150 are worse than tesla.  

 

 

The Ford F-150 Lightning promises a maximum payload of 2,000 pounds. That is about midway between the ratings of conventional Ford pickups, which range from 1,500 to about 5,000 pounds. In top form, the Lightning will be able to tow up to 10,000 pounds.

 

The Lightning Pro can tow 5,000 pounds or 7,700 pounds with an optional tow package. Similar to the standard F-150, we expect the Lighting to come with a 5.5-foot box. The front trunk or frunk can hold 14.1 cubic feet of cargo.

 

The Tesla Cybertruck in Tri-Motor form will be able to tow up to 14,000 pounds. Tesla says the maximum payload will be 3,500 pounds. It has a bed length of 6.5 feet and lockable storage front and rear of up to 100 cubic feet.

 

https://www.kbb.com/...sla-cybertruck/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 August 2021 - 07:39 PM.

[LJ]

^The specs maybe, but not the look.

Edited by LJ, 03 August 2021 - 07:38 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

tesla also has double the ground clearance.   8" vs 16".  which also means a much superior approach angle.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 August 2021 - 07:44 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

The most ingenious thing about it is they make their profit from selling green credits to other automakers.

 

Tesla also reports other measures of profitability, as do many other companies. And by those measures, the profits are great enough that they do not depend on the sales of credits to be in the black.

 

The company reported 2020 adjusted net income, excluding items such as $1.7 billion stock-based compensation, of $2.5 billion. Its automotive gross profit, which compares total revenue from its car business to expenses directly associated with the building the cars, was $5.4 billion, even excluding the regulatory credits sales revenue. And its free cash flow of $2.8 billion was up 158% from a year earlier, a dramatic turnaround from 2018 when Tesla was burning through cash and in danger of running out of money.

 

https://www.mercuryn...m-selling-cars/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 03 August 2021 - 07:51 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

perhaps. but Tesla will have a $25,000 vehicle in just 2 years.

 

Well-known auto industry leaker from China also claims that trial production is planned for the end of this year.

 

Tesla’s $25,000 compact car project is a fascinating topic for many obvious reasons, so a rumor that the first prototype has already been built in China is bound to get a lot of attention.

 

 

The highly-anticipated $25K compact electric car developed by Tesla China apparently has reached the prototype stage, at least according to a well-known local auto industry leaker going by the name of 不是郑小康. He posted on Chinese microblogging website Sina Weibo that the first prototype has been completed and most component suppliers have been lined up, adding that trial production has been planned for the end of this year.

 

While you should obviously take this for what it is (an unconfirmed rumor), Tesla owner and influencer Ray4Tesla has posted the Chinese leaker’s message on Twitter, adding that it comes from a “pretty reliable source” who previously brought several leaks to surface that proved to be true.

 

 

https://insideevs.co...pe-built-rumor/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Watch the Tesla Model S Plaid race one of the world's fastest production cars and leave it in the dust

 

The Tesla Model S Plaid went head-to-head with the Porsche Taycan Turbo S, and there was no competition.

 

Brooks Weisblat, the host of DragTimes, has been testing the Tesla Model S Plaid in a series of videos on his YouTube channel. On Thursday, Weisblat posted a video comparing the speed of the Model S Plaid on the quarter-mile track at Palm Beach International Raceway with that of a Taycan Turbo S, a Porsche that MotorTrend named one of the fastest production cars in the world earlier this year.

 

 

In its first attempt, the Tesla beat the Porsche right out of the gate, even though the driver, one of Weisblat's associates, said he had not been able to engage Drag Strip Mode, which lets the Tesla tap into its maximum speed. Its setup takes about eight to 15 minutes to allow the battery and electric motors to reach an optimum temperature.

 

Weisblat also noted that the Tesla was only at 90% battery, while the Taycan was fully charged.

 

https://www.business...-turbo-s-2021-8

 

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 August 2021 - 03:37 AM.

[Mike K.]

tesla also has double the ground clearance. 8" vs 16". which also means a much superior approach angle.

But you only need 6” at the mall!

[Mike K.]

Here’s what CNN has to say about profits:

It's a lucrative business for Tesla -- bringing in $3.3 billion over the course of the last five years, nearly half of that in 2020 alone. The $1.6 billion in regulatory credits it received last year far outweighed Tesla's net income of $721 million -- meaning Tesla would have otherwise posted a net loss in 2020.

"These guys are losing money selling cars. They're making money selling credits. And the credits are going away," said Gordon Johnson of GLJ Research and one of the biggest bears on Tesla (TSLA) shares. - https://www.google.c...lity/index.html

[Victoria Watcher]

the VERY SAME ARTICLE you linked:


Tesla also reports other measures of profitability, as do many other companies. And by those measures, the profits are great enough that they do not depend on the sales of credits to be in the black.

The company reported 2020 adjusted net income, excluding items such as $1.7 billion stock-based compensation, of $2.5 billion. Its automotive gross profit, which compares total revenue from its car business to expenses directly associated with the building the cars, was $5.4 billion, even excluding the regulatory credits sales revenue. And its free cash flow of $2.8 billion was up 158% from a year earlier, a dramatic turnaround from 2018 when Tesla was burning through cash and in danger of running out of money.




the GLJ guy has an axe to grind because he told his followers not to buy shares. and in doing so they all lost out on 400%+ gains.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 04 August 2021 - 05:42 AM.

[Mike K.]

Yeah, and the same article says no credits, no profit.

[Victoria Watcher]

no. Your guy says that in the article. nobody else.

Your guy thinks the stock should be $67. But it’s at $640. Obviously nobody is listening to him. Except you.



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