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[Ismo07]

At highway speeds it's even more pronounced.

 

There's a car dealer in the UK that put together a Youtube video with a nice big list of gas vs EVs in terms of decibles emitted as they drive at 10, 20 and 30mph, because of the line of thinking that EVs are too quiet, and therefore dangerously so. He argues they're not quiet at all, that they're just as loud, if not louder than gas vehicles.

 

The loudest cars on his list are Teslas, outpacing a Ford Ranger diesel pick-up in every category.

 

He is an EV car dealer?  Sometimes fellas just want to hate so they bring up things that can kind of make sense....  I'd like to hear from Tesla drivers when they turn their radio off...  This guy is saying a Tesla is louder that a diesel pick up at 10mph?  Do they even drive in mph in the UK?

 

Sharing before I watch this..

 

(8) Testing how LOUD the Tesla Model 3 is on the Highway! | More road noise than normal cars?? - YouTube

 

Odd they didn't test other cars and say that they aren't louder. 

 

I can't find your YouTube of the UK dealer...

Edited by Ismo07, 28 March 2023 - 11:09 AM.

[Mike K.]

Yes, he's an EV dealer, but argued, and proved, his point that EVs are not dangerous at low speeds due to being quiet, instead the exact opposite is true.

[Matt R.]

A Hybrid is not an EV, it’s not as heavy.

The data is pretty solid on the noise emissions. At normal driving speeds there is no difference, if slightly worse for the EV due to its weight.

Didn’t you just explain there is no noise difference in a hybrid?

[Mike K.]

Look, here's the thing. My friend just bought a Model Y and we went out the other day, him picking me up. The Model Y was louder than my vehicle. It's all about the insulation. I have double thick glass, and sound dampening, so the outside noise is heavily muted, and the motor is well insulated from causing interior noise.

I also have 22" rims, his I think are close, maybe 20", but his tire profile is much slimmer than mine and it makes a huge difference for noise.

Here's a fun fact. The original Leaf was so horrendously ugly, because they had to design it that way to minimize wind noise.

[Mike K.]

Didn’t you just explain there is no noise difference in a hybrid?

 

No difference, correct. You claim there is, but science says otherwise.

 

An EV is even louder than your hybrid.

[Ismo07]

Yes, he's an EV dealer, but argued, and proved, his point that EVs are not dangerous at low speeds due to being quiet, instead the exact opposite is true.

 

Can you post it? Eventually...

Edited by Ismo07, 28 March 2023 - 11:10 AM.

[Matt R.]

No difference, correct. You claim there is, but science says otherwise.
 
An EV is even louder than your hybrid.

Now you trust the experts? Lol

[Ismo07]

Look, here's the thing. My friend just bought a Model Y and we went out the other day, him picking me up. The Model Y was louder than my vehicle with a 6.2L motor. It's all about the insulation. I have double thick glass, and sound dampening, so the outside noise is heavily muted, and the motor is well insulated from causing interior noise.

 

I also have 22" rims, his I think are close, maybe 20", but his tire profile is much slimmer than mine and it makes a huge difference for noise.

 

Here's a fun fact. The original Leaf was so horrendously ugly, because they had to design it that way to minimize wind noise.

 

Did you use a sound monitor?  Or you were just judging it?  You really need to drive on the same road at the same speed too...

[lanforod]

You're also a lot further away from your tires in a truck as opposed to a Model Y. Its really hard to compare.

All this aside, if you compare a Model Y to say, a Mazda CX-5, which would be similar in size and profile somewhat, I doubt there's going to be a huge difference in decibel levels inside the vehicles on the same roads. Modern ICE engines aren't that loud, especially at cruise. Accelerating is different though.

[Mike K.]

Oh my truck is loud. It has all-terrain tires that are much louder. My daily driver has low profile tires on 22s but not as low profile as Tesla tires.

Accelerating comes with its own noise in an EV. There’s some sort of whine or pitch.

[Mike K.]

Now you trust the experts? Lol

The guy was disagreeing with the experts. I agree with him.

[Matt R.]

Anti expert?  Clown world, expert edition.

[Mike K.]

Thanks, truckers!

[Victoria Watcher]

Cox, yesterday:

 

 

https://www.coxautoi...play-available/

 

 

[Victoria Watcher]

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[LJ]

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[Ismo07]

Yes, he's an EV dealer, but argued, and proved, his point that EVs are not dangerous at low speeds due to being quiet, instead the exact opposite is true.

 

So what he was arguing was that EVs are noisy enough in neighbourhoods that they won't sneak up on people....  Can you find it again?  I can't seem to..

[dasmo]

My experience is they are quieter but the tire noise is enough. I walk a narrow country road often enough to know.
What isn’t known is if it’s because I am tuned to hear all the noises of a gas car as a subconscious self defence mechanism so do I render that noise sooner vs actually measuring the two with a device that has no bias or cognition.

Edited by dasmo, 29 March 2023 - 08:33 AM.

[Mike K.]

So what he was arguing was that EVs are noisy enough in neighbourhoods that they won't sneak up on people....  Can you find it again?  I can't seem to..

 

Sure, here it is: https://www.youtube....h?v=HCkSQre9Y4c

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