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#7581 spanky123

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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:24 AM

I think it's hard to get people to pay $60,000 for a Hyundai.

 

Why? Hyundai and Kia have been comparable in price and quality to Honda and Toyota now for a decade +.


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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:25 AM

I think it's hard to get people to pay $60,000 for a Hyundai.

 

If you can get past the brand, per G+M: "It offers more features for less money than the Tesla Model 3 that is its clear target. What’s not to like?"



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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:26 AM

Why? Hyundai and Kia have been comparable in price and quality to Honda and Toyota now for a decade +.

 

Its Hyundai vs Telsa for this one. So... which would you pick?



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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:31 AM

Its Hyundai vs Telsa for this one. So... which would you pick?

 

The Ioniq 5 is comparable to a Y not a 3. (ie SUV not sedan) and is thus a fair amount less expensive and eligible for federal rebates.


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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:31 AM

If you can get past the brand, per G+M: "It offers more features for less money than the Tesla Model 3 that is its clear target. What’s not to like?"

 

Tesla has a charging network, Hyundai does not.   That's a pretty big single feature.


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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:31 AM

The Ioniq 5 is comparable to a Y not a 3. (ie SUV not sedan) and is thus a fair amount less expensive and eligible for federal rebates.

 

We are talking about the Ioniq 6.



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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:32 AM

Nope. I made the mistake of waiting for today.

 

95%+ of Tesla's sales are now the less expensive model 3 and Y whereas only 10K of 420K cars were the S and X. Investors are spooked that margins will/have become compressed.



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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:34 AM

Tesla has a charging network, Hyundai does not.   That's a pretty big single feature.

 

True although you pay about 5X market electricity rates to charge there. Charging networks provide convenience but they are not the great deal there were years ago. 


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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:37 AM

Charging networks provide convenience but they are not the great deal there were years ago. 

 

They solve "vacation range anxiety".  I agree that the anxiety is unfounded for most, but it's a reality that it exists.


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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:37 AM

Also, didn't I read that Tesla is going to open their network up to all cars?



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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:49 AM

Also, didn't I read that Tesla is going to open their network up to all cars?

 

Would make sense although it is worth noting that Tesla's supercharging network is in many cases significantly less capable than what other networks offer.

 

Tesla touts being able to charge a vehicle to 80% capacity in 15 minutes and that may be true if you can charge it at 250KW (it's maximum rate of charge). Problem is that the vast majority of Tesla chargers are 75KW or 150KW (Uptown is 75KW as an example) and even then they charge at a lower rate when they are busy (which is most of the time now). 



#7592 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 03 April 2023 - 10:51 AM

Also, didn't I read that Tesla is going to open their network up to all cars?

 

In Europe they have been mandated to, in the US they are opening up about 10% of it in order to get EV charger grants, not sure they are doing it anytime soon in Canada.


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Posted 03 April 2023 - 11:26 AM

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Posted 03 April 2023 - 12:38 PM

Recurrent recently conducted a new study which details exactly how much it costs to replace the battery pack on some popular EVs in the market.

 

The study tends to apply more to older vehicles since most of the newer models have warranties, which cover repairs and/or replacement for a certain number of years. The cost is also dependent on whether the battery is replaced by the OEM or via a third-party shop. Based on various factors, the study placed the average battery replacement cost at $137 per kWh.

 

The study shows that batteries on cars like the BMW i3 cost anywhere between $2500 for a used example, to $16,000 for a brand new one when directly purchased from the OEM. This equates between $145/kWh to $727/kWh. GM had priced the battery pack of a Chevy Bolt at $15,734 in 2017, which, however, was closer to $16,000 in dealerships even before adding labour charges. This puts the dollar-to-capacity ratio for the Chevy Bolt at $250/kWh, which is its cheapest option.

 

The Nissan Leaf, one of the most popular EVs in the global market, has a battery replacement cost ranging between $3500 to $9500, depending on the battery capacity. This comes out to anywhere between $150/kWh to $187.5/kWh, all excluding labour.

 

Another popular example is the Tesla Model 3, whose batteries have been priced between $10,000 - $15,799. The Model S batteries are priced even higher between $12,000 - $22,000. The Volkswagen e-Golf is yet another EV with a high battery price of $23,443, which comes out to a massive $654/kWh - the highest among all vehicles mentioned in the list.

 

 

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#7595 Matt R.

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Posted 03 April 2023 - 12:55 PM

…and Tesla stock slips yet again.


I’m up $12!
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Posted 03 April 2023 - 01:28 PM

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https://investor.gm....fe-4471497314b7

 

 

 

 

That’s right, Hummer production is at the same number since July, according to the Wall Street Journal. There are lots of questions we have about why this is happening. The most pressing is what GMC is telling the 90,000 reservation holders. Because based on our arithmetic, at its current production pace, those reservations will take 25 years to fulfill.

 

https://www.motorbis...-gmc-hummer-ev/


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Posted 03 April 2023 - 01:57 PM

I saw an Ionique getting flatbed towed out of the woods past Jordan River yesterday.

Make of what what you will.

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Posted 03 April 2023 - 02:00 PM

I saw an Ionique getting flatbed towed out of the woods past Jordan River yesterday.

Make of what what you will.

 

I told you, lack of charging network, he ran out of fuel.



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Posted 03 April 2023 - 02:11 PM

I saw an f250 getting towed from fulford yesterday. Make of that what you will.
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Posted 03 April 2023 - 02:14 PM

I saw a tow truck being towed last week.  Make of that what you will.

 

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