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[Victoria Watcher]

[Mike K.]

I don’t think that’s a good thing, seeing accident videos from China, with Chinese cars. Presumably to be sold on the West, the vehicles have to pass a rigorous set of standards, right?

[Victoria Watcher]

Presumably to be sold on the West, the vehicles have to pass a rigorous set of standards, right?

 

Yes, many Chinese cars are not exported to advanced Western countries, they cannot be engineered to our safety levels.

 

But every year, more and more Chinese cars are safe enough for our standards.  USA has high import duties, so that's another barrier, but lots of Chinese cars are going to Europe now.

 

 

 

 

Chinese-built electric vehicles pose the greatest risk to Europe's automakers and could cost them 7 billion euros ($7.7 billion) a year in lost profits by 2030 unless policymakers take action, according to an Allianz Trade report.

 

Policymakers need to meet the challenge with reciprocal tariffs on imported cars from China, do more to develop EV battery materials and technologies, and also allow Chinese carmakers to build cars in Europe, according to the report released on Tuesday by the unit of German insurer Allianz.

 

Peugeot CEO Linda Jackson also said on Tuesday that Chinese EV makers are a growing threat because they are offering better cars than in the past at affordable prices.

 

 

 

https://europe.auton...company-profits

 

 

 

 

 

 

Japan > Korea > China.

 

We've seen this all before with vehicles.  And before that with electronics.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 16 May 2023 - 06:33 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Musk said at the meeting that Tesla would like to produce a quarter-million Cybertrucks a year, depending on demand. He said the EV maker hopes to start production of its long-delayed next-generation Roadster electric sports car next year.

He also briefly mentioned two new mass-market models under development, saying he hopes to make more than 5 million of those vehicles, but did not elaborate.

Musk also said he would conduct a third-party audit to ensure there is no child labor in cobalt mines that supply the ingredient used in making batteries.

"In fact, we will put a webcam on the mine and if anybody sees any children, please let us know," he said, adding that most of Tesla's battery packs were iron-based and that Tesla used cobalt only a "tiny amount" as a binder.

 

https://www.reuters....ing-2023-05-16/

[Victoria Watcher]

Video walk-around of cybertruck at yesterday's shareholder meeting.

 

https://youtu.be/4-t_sD5cJ4c

[Mike K.]

What if this brings down the company? It’s a trolling of design, sense and practicality.

[Victoria Watcher]

What if this brings down the company? It’s a trolling of design, sense and practicality.

 

The tooling is already paid for and the company has lots of cash.

 

As long as they do not lose lots of money on each vehicle they produce, it'll be fine.  And the reason it has taken so long to bring it into production is so they do not lose money on each vehicle built.

[Mike K.]

You don’t think the reason was making the vehicle road legal and figuring out all of the outrageous ways to do so?

Trucks guys are not drifters, drifters are not soccer moms, and Prius drivers are not Mustang aficionados. Can you make a Prius that will appeal to drifters? Yes, but will it make sense to build it? Probably not.

Here we have a battle ready vehicle, for the laptop class. It makes no sense.

[Victoria Watcher]

The truck is a smart part of Tesla.  

 

They are making 20,000 cars per week, at best they will make 5 or 10,000 trucks this year.

 

Now, Tesla self-driving with human supervision is already 4x safer than standard driving.  That's very impressive.

 

When unsupervised self-driving becomes a reality, your car becomes 2-3 more valuable and the new cars get software-like margins, 70% or more.  

 

Full Musk presentation video at the shareholders meeting:

 

https://youtu.be/N-_ZBfKXfr0

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 May 2023 - 05:00 AM.

[Victoria Watcher]

Tesla Bot video update:

 

https://youtu.be/N-_ZBfKXfr0?t=1848

 

Getting smarter!

[Mike K.]

I don’t think it will ever happen, fully. We can’t even forecast the weather with precision.

[Victoria Watcher]

I don’t think it will ever happen, fully. We can’t even forecast the weather with precision.

 

Too many variables.

 

A human cannot predict the long-range weather well, but a human can drive a car.

 

A human cannot do the tasks of your smartphone.  

 

There are planes now that cannot fly with just the input of humans, same with rockets etc.

 

There is no good reason a computer cannot drive a car.  Especially with more, and more sensitive sensors than the human eye has.

 

Look at how amazing your phone is at low-light photos, it's crazy.   It seems to me you might be better off driving at night using a screen, rather than your windshield.

 

You would not want to fly a fighter jet with just human sensors for incoming missiles or target acquisition or guidance.  Machines are much better.  What we have not perfected yet is the manipulation of some of that data, but we are getting better.  For example, war ships have a "close in weapons system" that will automatically and without any human input detect and destroy  incoming missiles, well before a human could even know something was coming.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 May 2023 - 05:23 AM.

[Mike K.]

Those are all super specialized examples operating in protected arenas. Autopilot is not contending with 5,000 variables, it’s working within a protected conduit of air space monitored by humans. Rockets don’t have to contend with other rockets crashing into them.

I’m not saying humans can’t be assisted, but FSD is impossible for the foreseeable future.

[Victoria Watcher]

Those are all super specialized examples operating in protected arenas. Autopilot is not contending with 5,000 variables, it’s working within a protected conduit of air space monitored by humans. Rockets don’t have to contend with other rockets crashing into them.

I’m not saying humans can’t be assisted, but FSD is impossible for the foreseeable future.

 

YOU can likely drive a car quite safely in Italy today, the day you arrive, even though it has billions of different items than your drive to Sidney has.   Even if you have never been.  

 

It's not that hard.

 

Who needs a car when we all have robots?  The robot can go buy your loaf of bread.

 

Musk says that we might have 2 robots for every person on the planet:

 

https://youtu.be/X_tOGkhaRyg?t=994

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 17 May 2023 - 05:46 AM.

[Mike K.]

Yes. I don’t need billions in computer tech research to make it happen.

[Mike K.]

And Musk needs to stop saying these silly things.

[Stephen James]

And Musk needs to stop saying these silly things.

maybe Musk likes attention... 

[dasmo]

The self driving car is a robot.

[Victoria Watcher]

[Victoria Watcher]

With a range exceeding 1,000km, Zeekr 001 started delivering the new version equipped with CATL Qilin batteries

 

 

https://carnewschina...ilin-batteries/