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#3361 Mike K.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:20 PM

Brother picked up his Model 3 today... They gave him the wrong car and didn't realize it until he was already on the ferry. LOL.


Lol, damn. That’s a drag for sure. I can imagine the shock of the guy who’ll pick up a “new” car with 300km on the clock.

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#3362 LeoVictoria

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 07:41 PM

I pretty much agree [although packing the dog and kids into a Corolla is pretty tight], but people like Andrew Weaver continue to go on TV saying that buying electric cars makes sense today from a purely economic standpoint, which is rubbish.


Pretty much yes. There are a couple scenarios where an electric car currently has a lower total cost of ownership than an equivalent gas car, but not that many. You can break even or save a bit of you drive a lot but it doesn’t amount to much. I’d say we are about 3-5 years away from a solid economic argument to buy an electric car.

However it’s also not that important. People will buy electric cars because they’re better, not because they are necessarily cheaper (although eventually they will be that as well). Case in point Tesla sells way more of their expensive electric cars than Nissan sells of their comparatively cheap ones.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:26 PM

Teslas sell more than Leafs arguably because they are a veblen product. Premium pricing is largely psychological.

The 3-5 year time frame sounds familiar. I feel like I heard that 3-5 years ago.
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Posted 10 December 2018 - 08:29 PM

But what is the pure economic argument for anything beyond a Honda Fit/Toyota Echo or the cheapest SUV/Truck, etc.


You don't want to look like an idiot driving around in a Fit. That's the economic theory of not being a jibbering idiot, IIRC.

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Posted 10 December 2018 - 11:55 PM

Teslas sell more than Leafs arguably because they are a veblen product. Premium pricing is largely psychological.


Fancy word. Too bad sales tripled with their lower priced model, throwing that theory out the window

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 10:52 AM

Nio's deliveries of the ES8 have climbed from a few hundred in June to 3,089 in November. About 10,000 ES8's have been manufactured so far. The smaller ES6 with larger range will drop December 15th.


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 10:55 AM

Fancy word. Too bad sales tripled with their lower priced model, throwing that theory out the window

 

Lower price being relative, of course. Lower price relative to Tesla. Higher price relative to the rest of the auto market. 


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Posted 11 December 2018 - 11:06 AM

Fancy word. Too bad sales tripled with their lower priced model, throwing that theory out the window

 

Hahaha like the Porsche Boxster and the Macan are Porsches lower priced models and have the highest sales....yet they are still $75-$125k

 

Once we start seeing sales at the $35-$45k range with 500km range like the Hyundai Kona (which is a really nice looking and well appointed vehicle) then we'll start seeing the real convergence take place. 


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#3369 LJ

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 07:51 PM

Went to the Tesla demo today re solar panels, they don't have the solar roof available anywhere yet. Each panel makes 305kw in laboratory conditions. They work better in cooler weather rather than hot(100F). Every installation is web enabled allowing you and Tesla to check the output of each panel. They guarantee a minimum 10% saving over what you are paying now, but in some cases it doesn't make sense to install solar. Units are warranted for 20 years, however the inverters, which are covered by the warranty, will need to be replaced in 10-12 years at their cost.

They suggest installing two power wall units each one providing about 13kwh of power. The units cost about $7500 each.

 

The cars were very nice, I liked the model S, didn't like the X, found the 3 to be on the small size and with no dash at all just the screen to the right.

If I was buying one I would opt for the S.

 

Oh, and I got a nice Tesla pen. :)


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#3370 LeoVictoria

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 10:24 PM

Great interview with Henry Payne from Detroit News. Race car driver, hardcore gearhead, says he is "not a greeny" so definitely not an EV guy but bought a Model 3 and has lots of very good things to say about it.
https://youtu.be/FH_x_8Ukhmo?t=485

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Posted 11 December 2018 - 10:29 PM

Driving around with my brother's Model 3 tonight. Super solid. First time trying the autopilot which is really good already. Mid range model so a slower 5.6s to 100km/h but that combined with the electric immediacy means you'll outrun basically anything on the road in normal driving.
He bought the full self driving option so will be cool to see that evolve. Tesla will be upgrading his computer with their own version that is supposedly 10x faster than what is in there right now and should enable a bunch of other features.

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#3372 Mike K.

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 08:20 AM

Do you mean replacing a third-party computer within the vehicle?


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#3373 LeoVictoria

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Posted 12 December 2018 - 09:20 AM

Do you mean replacing a third-party computer within the vehicle?

 

Yes.  The current computer is based on a modified Nvidia platform that they have for autonomous driving.   It's not fast enough so Tesla designed their own chipset that is supposedly 10 times faster and will enable more features.   It was designed from the start to be easily swappable so it's just a simple unplug and plug in the new computer to get the upgrade once it's released some time next year



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Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:23 AM

And this is why companies are shutting down their car production in favour of trucks.  Has nothing to do with shift to electric like GM claimed

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#3375 Mike K.

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Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:32 AM

What is a "car" and what is a "truck" according to that graph?

 

Electric vehicles absolutely play into the decision. CAFE rules literally forced the Big 3 to maintain crappy little 4-bangers to average out their fleet's performance, but with electric vehicles one all-electric SUV will bring the average down without having to sell five or six pieces of junk that nobody other than rental fleet operators want to purchase (which, btw, has been a great way of pushing those vehicles).


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:45 AM

Just picked up a '19 CRV Touring this weekend. 1.5 litre turbo 4. Traded in the wifes '16 TLX SH AWD primarily due to carrying capacity of a car compared to a small ute. $300 less in insurance costs plus it runs on regular gas instead of premium. No idea why they dont have a hybrid SUV as we would have seriously looked at that

 

Honda Salesman says they are selling way more CRV's, HRV's and Pilots than Civics and Accords now. Only the Fit sales have kept steady. So many more that they are now introducing another Ute called the Pasport that will fall in between the CRV and Pilot. I think thats silly but they have done their research



#3377 Mike K.

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Posted 17 December 2018 - 11:50 AM

For sure they are. You've got to be crazy to go out and buy a sedan or even a hatchback as your primary vehicle if for a tiny bit more (or sometimes even less!) you can buy a larger, more versatile vehicle.


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 01:11 PM

What is a "car" and what is a "truck" according to that graph?

 

Electric vehicles absolutely play into the decision. CAFE rules literally forced the Big 3 to maintain crappy little 4-bangers to average out their fleet's performance, but with electric vehicles one all-electric SUV will bring the average down without having to sell five or six pieces of junk that nobody other than rental fleet operators want to purchase (which, btw, has been a great way of pushing those vehicles).

 

If StatsCan is being consistent with their terminology, "Trucks include minivans, sport-utility vehicles, light and heavy trucks, vans and buses." via https://www150.statc...?pid=2010000201


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#3379 Mike K.

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Posted 17 December 2018 - 01:16 PM

Ok, that makes sense. So basically anything other than a sedan/coupe and a hatchback is a "truck" then.


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Posted 17 December 2018 - 01:29 PM

CAFE rules literally forced the Big 3 to maintain crappy little 4-bangers to average out their fleet's performance, but with electric vehicles one all-electric SUV will bring the average down without having to sell five or six pieces of junk that nobody other than rental fleet operators want to purchase (which, btw, has been a great way of pushing those vehicles).

 

It's interesting how the Americans had to make "crappy little 4 bangers" while the Japanese, Koreans and Germans have all made excellent quality and well selling vehicles powered by four cylinder engines for decades. The Americans make pieces of junk while Toyota sells millions of Carollas and Honda sells millions of Civics. 

 

(Instead of Big 3, you should have said lame 4th, 5th and no-longer exists auto makers). 


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