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#1841 LeoVictoria

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:03 AM

Jesus, I’ve never seen such an affinity for questionable quality.

Tesla has a loyal following and enjoys a massive tech industry presence. But for gosh sakes, they can’t meet their own targets, their vehicles are not meeting expectations and the computer technology that gave the cars an edge has come under scrutiny.

...and yet? We’re to praise them for operating at 40% capacity, brush aside friggen gaps as no big deal, and call bad design nothing more than an old man’s musings? Dudes and dudettes, maybe it’s time to put down the Kool-Aid and ride this out?


They are the worlds leading EV manufacturer with extremely high customer satisfaction rates. Is that koolaid or is that just the facts?

Sure Elon chronically over promises, that was clear to people years ago. Thing is he promises insane things and then only accomplished remarkable things. Some people look at that and see failure, others look at it and see success.

What is interesting is how people that normally are very much about increasing American jobs and competitiveness are many of the same people bashing Tesla at every opportunity. As you say it seems like the political interests (EVs bad, oil good) are overriding the idea of American innovation and manufacturing.

#1842 LeoVictoria

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:07 AM

But the difference is nobody will look you in the eye and hold up Cadillac as some vestibule of modern automotive quality and engineering.

These new Teslas are lame ducks like Cadillacs in terms of quality. But here we are...


And you won’t see 1000 articles about Volvo speculating about their quality. Tesla gets a hugely disproportionate amount of scrutiny and criticism.
Why? Some is deserved, some is the huge short interests trying to drive down the stock, and some is the established industries trying to fight against a disruptive new competitor. Heck Tesla is fighting dozens of lawsuits just to be able to sell its cars in many states.

#1843 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:11 AM

I think Tesla is like any other product. You can’t have all of low price, top performance, excellent reliability, high cool factor, fabulous after sales service and low operating cost all in one car.

So there are trade offs. We all make them every single day, to suit ourselves.

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#1844 rjag

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:14 AM

They are the worlds leading EV manufacturer with extremely high customer satisfaction rates. Is that koolaid or is that just the facts?

Sure Elon chronically over promises, that was clear to people years ago. Thing is he promises insane things and then only accomplished remarkable things. Some people look at that and see failure, others look at it and see success.

What is interesting is how people that normally are very much about increasing American jobs and competitiveness are many of the same people bashing Tesla at every opportunity. As you say it seems like the political interests (EVs bad, oil good) are overriding the idea of American innovation and manufacturing.

 

Not sure about leading, maybe most high-profile in North America.

https://www.fastcomp...-never-heard-of

 

The problem with over-promising is based on an inflated ego. He hasn't quite learned the art of under=promising and over-delivering which creates far more credibility and confidence from the market.

 

Has he done some incredible things? Absolutely. Is he a disruptor? Yup. Is he the answer to all the worlds transport problems? Nope. Is he an arrogant S.O.B.? Yup but you have to be to make the kind of barnum and bailey claims like he does.



#1845 Mike K.

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:16 AM

Tesla gets a hugely disproportionate amount of scrutiny and criticism.
Why?

 

Because the company was founded on promises it couldn't, and still can't deliver.

 

Tesla gets as much scrutiny as it does because it has legions of people pumping up the company and praising the word of its billionaire CEO as heavenly gospel. And most of these people don't even own the vehicle or the stock, but they fall in with the political aspect of the Tesla equation and plenty of folks observing this allegiance see right through it.

 

I'm a Cadillac guy myself. But even I know the new Caddy's are heaps of junk reserved solely for those who lease vehicles at two year spurts. Start a Cadillac discussion and I'll even lead the charge with my criticism, lol.


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#1846 LeoVictoria

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 09:53 AM

Because the company was founded on promises it couldn't, and still can't deliver.

 

Tesla gets as much scrutiny as it does because it has legions of people pumping up the company and praising the word of its billionaire CEO as heavenly gospel. And most of these people don't even own the vehicle or the stock, but they fall in with the political aspect of the Tesla equation and plenty of folks observing this allegiance see right through it.

 

I'm a Cadillac guy myself. But even I know the new Caddy's are heaps of junk reserved solely for those who lease vehicles at two year spurts. Start a Cadillac discussion and I'll even lead the charge with my criticism, lol.

 

Up until recently Nissan had sold more EVs than Tesla (I believe they are roughly equal now).  On an environmental impact side, a low range EV is better than a long range one, but I don't see very many people too excited about Nissan as some kind of environmental poster boy.   I really doubt the politics is as big of a factor as you think.  

 

Like I said, forget the promises, look at the results on their own.   Tesla has outdone every auto manufacturer so far on the transition to EVs which is inevitable.  They are also a part of the reason why the whole industry is now investing heavily in EVs because they showed the demand is there.   Will they be able to sustain that once the big boys shift their focus?  Who knows.  But so far they are ahead.



#1847 Mike K.

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 10:19 AM

Like I said, forget the promises, look at the results on their own.

 

That's exactly what the market is doing and why the company's stock price has plunged.

 

The results don't match the hype.


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#1848 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 10:21 AM

That's exactly what the market is doing and why the company's stock price has plunged.

 

Up 7% just today alone!


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#1849 Jason-L

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 11:23 AM

I keep waiting for Tesla to veer into the power grid battery thing, and ditch these consumer cars.

 

https://electrek.co/...alia-1-million/



#1850 spanky123

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 02:54 PM

I keep waiting for Tesla to veer into the power grid battery thing, and ditch these consumer cars.

 

https://electrek.co/...alia-1-million/

 

If we moved to variable pricing for electricity then this might make sense for the purpose outlined in the article. 



#1851 LeoVictoria

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 09:58 AM

Up 7% just today alone!

 

Aaaand back to $300.  



#1852 MarkoJ

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:04 AM

Aaaand back to $300.  

 

Sigh.....I'll never jump into this stock :)


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#1853 dasmo

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 11:47 AM

Aaaand back to $300.

My favourite cult stock! Go Elon!

#1854 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:39 AM

The country will this year end shareholding limits for new energy vehicle firms such as those that produce electric cars, according to the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC).

The move will be followed by commercial vehicles in 2020 and passenger cars in 2022, when it will also abolish restrictions limiting foreign automakers to two joint-venture partners, the NDRC said in a statement.

"After a five-year transition period, the auto sector will lift all restrictions," it said.

Auto analysts said the new rules will have the most immediate benefit for electric car makers, especially those with a less established presence in China.

A boon for Tesla 
One car company likely to gain is electric car giant Tesla led by entrepreneur Elon Musk, who this year had asked US President Donald Trump for help on the market access issue, alluding to the troubles his firm has faced producing in China.

 

http://www.newindian...rs-1802708.html


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