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[spanky123]

I think "progressive" and "conservative" really don't work in the context of this election

 

I think the real purpose of Jared's post is to try and position his candidate as a clear alternative to the others.

[Nparker]

While the above "development" chart is interesting, for me it doesn't play a huge role in why I will or will not support a candidate. Perhaps I am naive, but I still hope that the people I choose to elect to public office will show some degree of common sense and integrity. In the case of Lisa Helps, it wouldn't matter me if she had championed 50-storey buildings from the Legislature to Mayfair mall, almost everything else she has done and how she presents herself to the electorate is simply not what I want for another 4 years.

[Nparker]

Asking for community input doesn't mean that you are anti-development. It means that you are doing what people expect their elected representatives to do.

As long as that community input is treated sincerely. At least one candidate for mayor believes they spent the past 4 years soliciting public input. Of course this person had often already made their decisions and the input was just for show.

[Victoria Watcher]

progressive and conservative are too broad to use like this.

[Mike K.]

From the sounds of it King is more-so aligned with the Helps state of mind, so she would fit in under her column.

 

King is also the candidate who said she felt there was nobody on council who reflected her perspectives as a young Chinese-Canadian woman, despite councillor Thornton-Joe being a Chinese-Canadian woman (and not exactly a senior citizen).

[RFS]

From the sounds of it King is more-so aligned with the Helps state of mind, so she would fit in under her column.

 

King is also the candidate who said she felt there was nobody on council who reflected her perspectives as a young Chinese-Canadian woman, despite councillor Thornton-Joe being a Chinese-Canadian woman (and not exactly a senior citizen).

Thornton-Joe merely adopted identity politics.  King was born in it, molded by it

[RFS]

I fixed the X axis

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[Jared]

I think you'll find about 1/2 of the folks in the right side boxes are more centrist (both Stephens for sure)....there should be another box on the left specifically for Ben

 

I tried to keep people out of the muddled middle as much as possible. I considered only doing quadrants, but the distance between some of them (even besides Isitt) seemed too vast.

 

Asking for community input doesn't mean that you are anti-development. It means that you are doing what people expect their elected representatives to do.

 

I'm definitely open to suggestions for better axis labels! My goal was to choose unbiased terms.

 

Jared, what was your criteria to determine positioning?

 

I read all their web pages, discussion on here and other social media, and just guessed for some of it. I see a real craving in a lot of my social media for things like this that help orient voters and let them know which candidates to look into more.

 

I would heartily encourage everyone to develop their own charts using different criteria. The more the merrier!

Edited by Jared, 01 October 2018 - 10:26 AM.

[shoeflack]

Am I doing this right?

 

[tjv]

So I was looking on Hammond's website, anyone know what the heck this means:

 

• Benefits of a building boom must be SHARED with Victorians

https://stephenhammo....newcouncil.ca/

[Casual Kev]

Asking for community input doesn't mean that you are anti-development. It means that you are doing what people expect their elected representatives to do.

 

Except NIMBYs rarely if ever admit they're actually against development or property rights. The go-to dogwhistles are precisely "we need more community input" or "neighborhood character must be considered" because they validate indefinite delays to development or any other urban change. Think of it as the "we need to consult affected communities and First Nations" version of municipal politics.

[Victoria Watcher]

it probably means some type of wealth distribution.  you pay more for your condo so someone else gets subsidized rent in the same building.  or you pay more for your condo so that a corner of the lot is a public park.  or you pay more for your condo so that the safe injection site next door can stay open longer hours.  

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 01 October 2018 - 11:07 AM.

[rmpeers]

Except NIMBYs rarely if ever admit they're actually against development or property rights. The go-to dogwhistles are precisely "we need more community input" or "neighborhood character must be considered" because they validate indefinite delays to development or any other urban change. Think of it as the "we need to consult affected communities and First Nations" version of municipal politics.

So these candidates are saying they might actually listen to their constituents? What a refreshing change that would be. And I get that they might not fully live up to that promise, but literally no one could do a worse job than the current crew.

And no amount of developer-friendly attitude could ever begin to mitigate the damage that the current mayor and council has done.

I'm pretty certain some new faces could support development without the nightmarish sideshow that has characterized the Helps era.

[Casual Kev]

So these candidates are saying they might actually listen to their constituents? What a refreshing change that would be. And I get that they might not fully live up to that promise, but literally no one could do a worse job than the current crew.

And no amount of developer-friendly attitude could ever begin to mitigate the damage that the current mayor and council has done.

I'm pretty certain some new faces could support development without the nightmarish sideshow that has characterized the Helps era.

 

 

Evidently, there's nothing wrong with politicians saying they will consider the community's outlook as cliche as it is. What they shouldn't do is use the court of an unspecified public opinion to define their policy stance on issues affecting the city because it is equivalent to not committing to doing anything. And in the case of development and urban planning, plenty of people want nothing to be done ever.

Edited by Casual Kev, 01 October 2018 - 11:51 AM.

[RFS]

I just noticed that Mike Geo's election page has more likes on Facebook than New Council's page, and WAY more than Hammond's page.  This stress is killing me

[gstc84]

NewCouncil needs to get off their asses and publish an actual platform. Right now all I've seen is still just a handful of disconnected "position statements" that a couple of their candidates have published across Facebook that are now a headache to track down again. They're coming off so disorganized and unprepared, and keep saying they're "asking taxpayers what they want", but they need to start actually offering something of their own, and soon.

 

I've firmly decided on probably 4-5 councillor candidates, but I'm still left adrift as to who to support for Mayor at this point. 

Edited by gstc84, 01 October 2018 - 01:08 PM.

[Victoria Watcher]

he's running 5 different facebook ads concurrently right now.  new council is running none.  for all we know geoghegan is spending $1000/day on facebook ads.  that we can not tell.

 

go here to see his ads

 

https://www.facebook...keformayor/ads/

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 01 October 2018 - 01:31 PM.

[Mike K.]

I just noticed that Mike Geo's election page has more likes on Facebook than New Council's page, and WAY more than Hammond's page.  This stress is killing me

 

But then you look at the interactions and people seem far, far more involved in Hammond's Facebook posts.

 

Each post has appreciably more interaction than Geoghegan's despite his higher "likes."

[Mike K.]

he's running 5 different facebook ads currently.  new council is running none.

 

Hold on. So Geoghegan is now running Facebook ads, New Council isn't, but Geoghegan hasn't offered up any evidence to back his "Facebook ads" attack on Hammond?

[Victoria Watcher]

oh he's actually running 8 ads now.