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[todd]

So yourself you would not (and excuse me if I'm naïve) honor such rules within the Freemasons such as: if you are aware they are Freemason not testifying against another Freemason in court or not reporting a crime a Freemason had committed. Those rules are still on the books?

 

[AllseeingEye]

You got me....never heard of that 'rule' before Todd. Not ever in a craft lodge, nor a Lodge of Education nor an AASR/Scottish Rite lodge. And the last time I went into the basement at Fisgard Street - for the record - I did not notice the alien spacecraft from "Independence Day" parked in a corner. Just a bunch of old pictures and boxes and boxes of lodge/meeting records. Geez what websites are you guys frequenting? Send me a link please, lol.....

 

Now back to the flag: I do wonder sometimes given the real needs of the city - aging infrastructure replacement, a decision ASAP re: the No 1 fire hall, , formulating a *real* strategy regarding homeless beyond simply throwing open the doors with a welcome mat (to be fair they appear to at least trying on this front), and what to do with the decrepit Crystal Pool etc., - why the city over the past few years seemingly preoccupies itself with myriad pet mini-projects like writing letters to Vladimir Putin, painting rainbows on sidewalks, seemingly hiring as many staff as possible making over $75K (how many people are employed now in the "Communications" department?), or considering possible revamped flag designs....priorities folks. Priorities.

[todd]

You got me....never heard of that 'rule' before Todd. Not ever in a craft lodge, nor a Lodge of Education nor an AASR/Scottish Rite lodge. And the last time I went into the basement at Fisgard Street - for the record - I did not notice the alien spacecraft from "Independence Day" parked in a corner. Just a bunch of old pictures and boxes and boxes of lodge/meeting records. Geez what websites are you guys frequenting? Send me a link please, lol.....

 

Now back to the flag: I do wonder sometimes given the real needs of the city - aging infrastructure replacement, a decision ASAP re: the No 1 fire hall, , formulating a *real* strategy regarding homeless beyond simply throwing open the doors with a welcome mat (to be fair they appear to at least trying on this front), and what to do with the decrepit Crystal Pool etc., - why the city over the past few years seemingly preoccupies itself with myriad pet mini-projects like writing letters to Vladimir Putin, painting rainbows on sidewalks, seemingly hiring as many staff as possible making over $75K (how many people are employed now in the "Communications" department?), or considering possible revamped flag designs....priorities folks. Priorities.

Thank you for humoring me that's all I was really looking for, you can get back to world domination now.... or did that already happen.. anyhow   .

 

 ... Rainbow? ... Rainbow? a Freemason Rainbow?.... okay okay .....anyhow  

[AllseeingEye]

Thank you for humoring me that's all I was really looking for, you can get back to world domination now.... or did that already happen.. anyhow   .

 

 ... Rainbow? ... Rainbow? a Freemason Rainbow?.... okay okay .....anyhow  

Easy...better you worship from afar Todd otherwise Mike K will think you're compromised and that I've co-opted you...  

[todd]

^I already ordered a Freemason ring on eBay, I promise not to live stream.. much.

Edited by todd, 22 July 2016 - 09:14 PM.

[Mike K.]

I am unclear why you appear to have a burr up your saddle re: FM Mike.

Since this is a thread about a HS kid's effort to create a new flag for the CoV I think we're going way down an errant path here. Feel free any any time to PM if you have actual, real questions or concerns. Its disingenuous of you to state "the truth is..." when - in fact - the truth actually is you aren't a mason therefore you've never attended a full lodge meeting and, therefore, you have no idea what transpires in any formal masonic gathering. Zero. None. Beyond perhaps whatever "facts" you think you've gleaned from presumably reading one too many anti-masonic websites.....

Since however FM is a private fraternity that takes in no public funds - yet distributes hundred of millions of $ dollars annually and literally on a global scale, for a plethora of good causes including Children's Burn Units - why should we reveal what happens at our meetings? If you aren't a member its none of your concern. If - OTOH - you feel a burning curiosity to find out then I suggest you consider petitioning for admission. Otherwise FM is perfectly within its right to keep private meetings private.

Is it my business what the owners of Citified and VV discuss at your closed door corporate meetings, assuming you aren't a publicly-held entity? How do we know you you aren't in cahoots with a nefarious international development cabal bent on paving the way politically for the construction of a 100-story mega-monolith in the middle of the lawn on the Legislative Grounds? We don't - but regardless the answer is "no" if you are private: what you discuss corporately behind closed office doors is your business and not mine. Do you throw open your doors to those VV management meetings to just anyone? Not that I've heard. I'm willing to bet you don't. And why would you? Why should we?

Anyone at any time is free to speak with a mason and ask questions; I am perfectly happy to discuss it as long the as the other person has an open mind as opposed to having a preconceived anti-masonic axe to grind. I'm not interested in wasting my time or energy. Where that all leads - assuming the individual is on the level and a decent human being to boot, which most certainly helps - is entirely up to them. It might shock you to know but the end goal of lots of decent men isn't necessarily to buy a 20,000 s/f home in Broadmead and have a $250,000 car in the driveway. For some - many in fact - just being good and decent men who contribute to broader society - and perhaps learn a thing or two about themselves and their place in the world along the way - is more than sufficient.

But hold on, I never made any statements about wanting the Masons to reveal their secrets, nor do I have an axe to grind, nor do I think the organization is some sort of Illuminati death cult. What I did say was that our Coat of Arms contains far more meaningful symbolism than meets the eye, and in my opinion, there are Masonic influences in that design and in the overall design of the City of Victoria's roads, placement of buildings, parks, names of certain landmarks, etc. And why shouldn't it be that way? Most of North America's cities are.

I'm familiar to a degree with the going-ons of the Fisgard Street lodge despite not being a member and from what I've gleaned the biggest issue facing the lodge is declining membership. When you've got key guys having to perform the same duties over and over when they should be relegating them to other individuals, but they can't because there's literally nobody to take their place or nobody has the necessary credentials, that doesn't bode well. Perhaps things are on the mend, I don't know, but membership in such organizations is on the decline all over the place. People have other priorities, I guess.

Honestly, I have no problem with anyone being a Mason or Masonry. I personally have no desire to become a member, and yes, I've been asked on multiple occasions to join, but I've no interest to do so.

[todd]

But hold on, I never made any statements about wanting the Masons to reveal their secrets, nor do I have an axe to grind, nor do I think the organization is some sort of Illuminati death cult. What I did say was that our Coat of Arms contains far more meaningful symbolism than meets the eye, and in my opinion, there are Masonic influences in that design and in the overall design of the City of Victoria's roads, placement of buildings, parks, names of certain landmarks, etc. And why shouldn't it be that way? Most of North America's cities are.

 

I'm familiar to a degree with the going-ons of the Herald Street lodge despite not being a member and from what I've gleaned the biggest issue facing the lodge is declining membership. When you've got key guys having to perform the same duties over and over when they should be relegating them to other individuals, but they can't because there's literally nobody to take their place or nobody has the necessary credentials, that doesn't bode well. Perhaps things are on the mend, I don't know, but membership in such organizations is on the decline all over the place. People have other priorities, I guess.

 

Honestly, I have no problem with anyone being a Mason or Masonry. I personally have no desire to become a member, and yes, I've been asked on multiple occasions to join, but I've no interest to do so.

 

 

When we have a secret society almost teasing us with symbols that could have only been placed/approved by key government officials, and that it was never stated that they were supposed to be Freemason symbols, that's when it becomes the issue/fearful I guess. 

 

Communication is the cornerstone to every relationship.

 

 

 

Can somebody make the argument that they are not Freemason symbols in Victoria?

 

 

 

 

Edited by todd, 23 July 2016 - 11:02 AM.

[Mike K.]

We know for a fact that they are, so any claims that they're mere conspiracy theories fall flat pretty quick. There's very evident, very clear symbolism at work here, just like it is all over this continent.

 

Todd, if you're interested in this subject matter get your hands on Manly Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages. It's an incredible book, chock full of information about the history of various crafts, practices, symbols, doctrines, etc. It's a great introduction into esoteric teachings, and it was written by a renowned Mason who preached enlightenment of all.

[todd]

We know for a fact that they are, so any claims that they're mere conspiracy theories fall flat pretty quick. There's very evident, very clear symbolism at work here, just like it is all over this continent.

 

Todd, if you're interested in this subject matter get your hands on Manly Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages. It's an incredible book, chock full of information about the history of various crafts, practices, symbols, doctrines, etc. It's a great introduction into esoteric teachings, and it was written by a renowned Mason who preached enlightenment of all.

 

Found it: https://books.google...&q&f=falsewell 

 

I got to take care of the Justice Institute satellite that's tracking my brain, but then I will sit down with a nice cup of iced tea and flip it open. 

Edited by todd, 23 July 2016 - 03:18 PM.

[AllseeingEye]

Other more contemporary authors of note that I would recommend you look into include Brent Morris and Art(uro) de Hoyos of the Supreme Council of the 33rd in Washington DC.

 

Both are highly influential within masonry particularly the Scottish Rite, and both are prolific authors on the subject of both Craft Masonry and the AASR. I know Art personally having met him on a few occasions. The man is a walking encyclopedia in addition to being the Grand Historian of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite in the US (Washington). Very knowledgeable and incredibly connected to Washington power circles.

 

Brent is a fascinating study, not only acknowledged as an expert in esoteric teachings and masonic scholarly works but he also holds a PhD in Mathematics from Duke University and spent time as a cryptanalyst for the NSA. Brent was also the first North American to be elevated to the role of Worshipful Master of Quatuor Coronati Lodge, which is the oldest Masonic Research Lodge in the world. 

[todd]

^Thanks ASE always appreciate your view. 

[LJ]

We know for a fact that they are, so any claims that they're mere conspiracy theories fall flat pretty quick. There's very evident, very clear symbolism at work here, just like it is all over this continent.

 

Todd, if you're interested in this subject matter get your hands on Manly Hall's The Secret Teachings of All Ages. It's an incredible book, chock full of information about the history of various crafts, practices, symbols, doctrines, etc. It's a great introduction into esoteric teachings, and it was written by a renowned Mason who preached enlightenment of all.

I just ordered that book from Amazon, looking forward to the read.