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[Mike K.]

Dont forget: Addicts seek out the ‘good stuff’ with fentanyl in it. There are lots of things the poverty industry narrative doesn’t tell you.

 

Yes, it's in the supply because it is in high demand. It also allows the dealer to offer lower prices to which the market is very responsive.

 

Regarding alcohol, people die every day from alcohol, and many are poisoned to death, or blinded, or permanently disabled due to alcohol abuse or ingestion of alcohol not meant for human consumption.

[Greg]

Yes, it's in the supply because it is in high demand. It also allows the dealer to offer lower prices to which the market is very responsive.

 

Regarding alcohol, people die every day from alcohol, and many are poisoned to death, or blinded, or permanently disabled due to alcohol abuse or ingestion of alcohol not meant for human consumption.

 

All of that's true. But this conversation started with a 12-year-old dying from an overdose from tainted supply (at least the way I read the story). I don't know anything about the kid or her mother, but I'll stipulate that both of them made poor decisions for the sake of this discussion.

 

But if that 12-year-old had snuck out to drink alcohol, or smoke cigarettes, either of which would also constitute an illegal activity, and had then died because she drank poisoned beer or tainted cigarettes, we would definitely be interested in how the products had been poisoned as a key element of our discussion. 

 

Drug addicts should be guided into rehab. I'm not sure that some level of stigmatization isn't appropriate to encourage that as it seems to have worked with cigarettes (and nicotine is very addictive). But people have to be alive before they can be rehabilitated, and I think exploring ways to eliminate unsafe supply is a relevant part of that conversation. 

[Mike K.]

That child could drink a relatively small quantity of BC Liquor Store-distributed 40% vodka and die after passing out and choking on vomit.

[Mike K.]

And not to mention death from alcohol poisoning from store-bought liquor.

[pontcanna]

‘Like a ray of sunshine’: Another child dies from suspected overdose on Vancouver Island

May 7, 2021

Another heart goes up on a wall at Nanaimo’s Wisteria Community Association marking yet another life lost to overdose and this one hits particularly hard.

A 17-years-old Nanaimo girl, known by friends as Bella Jones, died from a suspected drug overdose last week.


Bella Jones

More: https://www.cheknews...-island-780695/

 

 

[Mike K.]

Good lord.

[Barrrister]

I suspect that this is not going to get better.

[sukika]

And not to mention death from alcohol poisoning from store-bought liquor.

 

I think it should be called what it is - an overdose.  I wonder why poisoning is the more commonly used term? 

[Mike K.]

Yes, that's a good point. They're the same thing.

[Greg]

"The dose makes the poison."

 

Everything is harmful at a high enough dose; and everything is safe at a low enough dose. That's why I was trying to make a distinction between taking too much of a substance and taking a substance that was tainted with unexpected foreign matter. What makes this trickier is Mike's point that sometimes that "unexpected foreign matter" has ceased to be unexpected and evolved to actually be desired by some users.

[Mike K.]

It's also an issue of the unexpected foreign matter being too much for one person, and not enough for another. A 12-year-old can die of alcohol poisoning after drinking a volume of vodka another person will get very sick from, but not die.

[pontcanna]

‘She wanted out of that lifestyle’: Father of 12-year-old who died from overdose calls for change

May 7, 2021

Photos of camping and fishing trips are all Andrew Thomas has left to remember the good times with his oldest daughter.

12-year-old Allayah Thomas died April 14 in Langford from a suspected opioid overdose — an incident that is currently under investigation by West Shore RCMP.

Thomas, who lives near Calgary, says he warned her about the poisonous drug supply during a phone call just a week before her death.

 

 

More: https://www.cheknews...-change-781524/

 

 

[pontcanna]

Grade 6 student who died of suspected drug overdose 'was so strong and sure of herself'

MAY 8, 2021


Allayah, right, with her mother, Adriana Londono, and sister about two years ago.

Twelve-year-old Allayah Yoli Thomas is making headlines as perhaps the youngest person to die from an illicit-drug overdose in B.C., but to family she was just Allie, a happy and strong kid who enjoyed being with her family.

Allayah, a Grade 6 student at Gordon Head Middle School, died April 15 of what her mother, Adriana Londono, said was a fatal overdose after taking heroin believed to contain fentanyl. The B.C. Coroners Service is investigating the cause of death.
 

More: https://www.timescol...self-1.24316634

 

 

 

[pontcanna]

He threatened to kill doctors, set off bomb; judge questioned releasing of mentally ill man

MAY 11, 2021

He attacked a man with a hatchet near a Vancouver Sky Train station, punched a car salesman and a psychiatric nurse, threw feces at a correctional officer, threatened to kill doctors and talked about building a bomb, shooting people in a parking lot and giving them injections by force.

Andrew Agopsowicz was considered such a danger to public safety that when he was released from Royal Jubilee Hospital’s psychiatric intensive care unit on April 27, police set up surveillance and followed him...

Agopsowicz was found dead of a suspected drug overdose at 2 a.m. on April 29...

 

More: https://www.timescol...-man-1.24317493

 

[Midnightly]

He threatened to kill doctors, set off bomb; judge questioned releasing of mentally ill man

MAY 11, 2021

He attacked a man with a hatchet near a Vancouver Sky Train station, punched a car salesman and a psychiatric nurse, threw feces at a correctional officer, threatened to kill doctors and talked about building a bomb, shooting people in a parking lot and giving them injections by force.

Andrew Agopsowicz was considered such a danger to public safety that when he was released from Royal Jubilee Hospital’s psychiatric intensive care unit on April 27, police set up surveillance and followed him...

Agopsowicz was found dead of a suspected drug overdose at 2 a.m. on April 29...

 

More: https://www.timescol...-man-1.24317493

 

 

this man is a prime example of why we need to bring back long term mental health facilities.. there are just some people who need to be watched over and medicated long term and not be floating around the public, in shelters to do as they wish...

[On the Level]

 

On the heels of the drug death of a 12-year-old girl, B.C. Premier John Horgan said Tuesday a proposal to keep youth in hospital involuntarily up to seven days after an overdose will return to the legislature once consultation is completed.

 

Bill 22 was paused last year when the B.C. Greens wouldn’t support it.

 

The BC Greens sure blew themselves up last year.  They lost their leader and in doing so, any chance of actually becoming a party that appeals to more than the fringe.  Objecting to Bill 22 was the final straw where Horgan realized they were unworkable once Weaver left.

 

https://www.timescol...tion-1.24318095

[Mike K.]

I know there is plenty of banter about Horgan using the pandemic as a power grab, but the GreeNDP alliance was hopelessly adrift. Denying Bill 22 was a history-making bungling.

[On the Level]

I know there is plenty of banter about Horgan using the pandemic as a power grab, but the GreeNDP alliance was hopelessly adrift. Denying Bill 22 was a history-making bungling.

 

It makes you wonder what the Greens were thinking.  Blocking medical staff and leaving children in the grips of addiction to then be preyed upon.  What type of a party platform is that?  Lunacy.  

[rmpeers]

It makes you wonder what the Greens were thinking. Blocking medical staff and leaving children in the grips of addiction to then be preyed upon. What type of a party platform is that? Lunacy.

Lunacy yes but also cruelty. I understand they need to play to their base but putting lives at risk is just sick.

[LJ]

Do we know what their objection to the bill was?

 

Maybe they wanted a minimum of 14 days?