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#1801 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 27 August 2022 - 07:15 AM

For me, brake fluid is a bit too thick. But you can use nearly any solvent to thin it a bit.

Gasoline, Varsol, any paint thinner.

Be careful though. Use unleaded gas. It’s legal to use marked, save a few pennies on the tax.

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#1802 lanforod

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Posted 27 August 2022 - 08:08 AM

Gasoline? That’s too expensive

#1803 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 27 August 2022 - 08:34 AM

It’s cheaper than milk.
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#1804 Nparker

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Posted 27 August 2022 - 08:38 AM

It’s cheaper than milk.

You stole my line.



#1805 Mike K.

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Posted 27 August 2022 - 08:56 AM

The real theft is the cartel’s milk price.
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#1806 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 05:56 AM

People seeking detox treatment face weeks-long waits

 

 

“The waits are long and it’s quite the bottleneck,” said Jordan Cooper, director of services for Our Place Society. “We have people coming into our community centre seeking treatment and most require detox before they can go into recovery. We’ve heard of wait times of 100-plus days for detox.”

 

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In an emailed statement, however, Island Health said the waitlist for a medical detox bed is approximately five weeks. There are 21 medical detox beds on the south Island and none are currently closed due to staffing issues, the statement said.

 

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Both Cooper and Cheryl Diebel, director of New Roads Therapeutic Recovery Community, have been told that a number of detox beds had been closed due to staffing shortages. For the past two years, Diebel has consistently heard that the waiting list has been anywhere from 150 to 200 at any given time.

 

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The residential treatment facility run by Our Place and housed in the former youth detention centre in View Royal is helping 30 men in recovery right now, but has room for 40, said Diebel. Most of the men who come to live at New Roads require detox.

 

 

 

https://www.timescol...g-waits-5749399

 

 

 

 

 

I have news for you, addicts.  There are wait times for medical treatment in this country.  But wait a few weeks and you'll get in.  It's not like you have anything better to do.  And there are more productive people, and patients with more needs ahead of you.


Edited by Victoria Watcher, 28 August 2022 - 05:58 AM.


#1807 Barrrister

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 01:04 PM

Is there any evidence that detox and treatment actual works long term for a significant number of people? How many are clean and sober two or three years later?



#1808 Nparker

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 01:07 PM

Is there any evidence that detox and treatment actual works long term for a significant number of people...

I have seen it work first hand for people who are addicted to alcohol. I have no idea how effective it is regarding recovery from narcotics.



#1809 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 28 August 2022 - 01:12 PM

Is there any evidence that detox and treatment actual works long term for a significant number of people? How many are clean and sober two or three years later?

 

It's not very good.

 

 

 

 

 

As a result, 91% of heroin rehab participants who are discharged after successfully completing an opioid detox program report relapsing.   59% relapse within just a week of discharge.

 

 

https://www.theclear...ates-are-so-low

 

 

 

 

 

It's hard to know if the programs are any more effective than just deciding on your own to go cold turkey.  Or people just getting older and stopping drug use.  I'm guessing there are not as many 65-year-old addicts as there are 35-years-olds, and it's not just because some have died.

 

Also, as you get older you might not have the means to support an addiction.  Less ability to shoplift or break into cars, homes or businesses, or sell sex services.  You are less adept at criminality to support your buying habits, so you simply use less.


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#1810 On the Level

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:24 PM

It's not very good.

 

Correct.  Treatment usually isn't a permanent solution, but should be available as needed.



#1811 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:34 PM

But if the “cure rate” is only 5% or 10% should it be made more readily available than other procedures and treatments for other ailments?

They are complaining about a 5-week wait for a program that features extended inpatient care, that might need to be repeated 10 or 20 times to be effective.

Whereas wait times for outpatient care that has 90 or 95% effectiveness has a 6 to 24 month wait.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2022 - 12:35 PM.


#1812 Nparker

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:35 PM

...Treatment usually isn't a permanent solution, but should be available as needed.

Agreed. Cancer often returns, that doesn't mean treatment should never be given for it.



#1813 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:36 PM

Cancer might be mostly unavoidable, once it sets in.

Opioid overdoses are 100% avoidable with simple lifestyle tweaks.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2022 - 12:37 PM.


#1814 Nparker

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:40 PM

You're never going to convince me treatment is a bad idea. 

Edit: treatment = more than just naloxone 


Edited by Nparker, 29 August 2022 - 12:40 PM.


#1815 Mike K.

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:55 PM

I called up a massage therapy clinic today. They’re booking for mid-November. But my back hurts now.

“Good luck,” said the receptionist as I said I’m sorry, I can’t wait until November.

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#1816 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 12:56 PM

You're never going to convince me treatment is a bad idea.

Edit: treatment = more than just naloxone

Never said it was. But I can’t give it extreme priority over other health issues.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2022 - 12:57 PM.


#1817 Nparker

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 01:01 PM

...But I can’t give it extreme priority over other health issues.

You mean like chemotherapy for nonagenarians?



#1818 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 01:03 PM

It’s always hard to know where to draw the line on care. We use over 50% of our lifetime budget in the last 6 months of life. But most addicts will still be with us and quite useless members of society in 3 weeks or 15. They can wait.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2022 - 01:04 PM.


#1819 Nparker

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 01:09 PM

It’s always hard to know where to draw the line on care. We use over 50% of our lifetime budget in the last 6 months of life...

Perhaps that would be a better place to triage resources, since clearly the outcome is already determined.



#1820 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 29 August 2022 - 01:10 PM

I’m on record of supporting a cut-off. If you are over 75, you can still access services. But now pay increasingly out of pocket.

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 29 August 2022 - 01:11 PM.


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