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#21 Mike K.

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 11:00 AM

All we know about the man is the propaganda we have been fed.


By tens of thousands of refugees who risked their lives crossing into Florida to spread that propaganda.

Next thing we'll hear is Stalin was just a misunderstood poet.
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Posted 27 November 2016 - 11:25 AM

"Cruz said, “What the Obama administration has done is strengthen Raul Castro. Raul is the dictator now. I asked my dad at dinner last night, ‘What do you think happens now that Fidel is dead?’ And he shrugged and said, ‘Raul has been in charge for years. The system has gotten stronger.’ What Obama has done is funneled billions of dollars to Raul Castro, which is being used to oppress dissidents. In 2016, roughly 10,000 political arrests occurred in Cuba – that is five times as many as occurred in 2010, when there were only about 2,000.”

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 11:38 AM

http://www.dailymail...s-heroism.html 

 

Still waiting for the praise of Castro from Rob Fleming and Gregor Robertson....stay tuned....

...<cough>....Wait for it....Ben Isitt <cough, cough>....

 

Tough call for PET junior in some ways. He's a national leader and supposedly a diplomat and therefore expected to couch whatever his response is in something approaching 'diplomatic' language regardless of what he might actually think of the recently departed. That said his response was unfortunately exactly what I would have expected from him.....

 

Fact is Fulgencio Batista was a corrupt butchering bastard, however to steal a phrase attributed originally to FDR "...but he's our bastard". Castro was a "revolutionary" which often also goes hand in hand with realities like "butcher" and "bastard" and "repression". Neither man was a nice guy, period. Both repressed their people in the name of whatever ideology it was they happened to fly their personal flag under. Batista was supported by the US which obviously was hellbent on doing anything to prevent a communist society being established less than 100 miles from their territory.

 

Castro was supported by the USSR - hardly a benign state and probably in its heyday the global poster child for the concept of brutish state repression - equally hellbent on exporting communism to wherever it could: doing so to within 100 miles of US sovereign territory was just fine by them.

 

Ultimately over the last 75 years the real losers were the Cuban people. Sorry but having "great" education or health care options while also suffering the evils of a brutal system of a draconian secret police, firing squads and the ruthless squashing of dissent and political opposition and a free press doesn't seem like all that awesome a deal to me....

 

It'll be interesting to see where they go as a society once Raul Castro goes to wherever it is old socialist hardliners go after they pass. My guess is that they will inevitably evolve along similar lines as China - nominally "communist" in name at least for a period, but in reality becoming as capitalist as anywhere else. Take a look at Shanghai or Hong Kong today and try to convince me either society is an example of Marx's "Workers Revolution". Rightly or wrongly both cities are prime examples of today's 'communist' China where $$$$ talks and ideological b*****t walks. My guess is that Havana will ultimately adopt the same course. One little known fact is that once the USSR collapsed Castro had to swallow his revolutionary pride and very very quietly court international bankers and capitalists to prop up his economy which after 30+ years of socialist stewardship was failing miserably.


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#24 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 11:53 AM

...<cough>....Wait for it....Ben Isitt <cough, cough>....

 

He has weighed in...

 

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 12:02 PM

Of course he has...as predictable as the weather on the moon.

 

I wonder how dyed in the wool, self-ascribed socialists like Isitt reconcile the fact that "international Socialism" of the type he embraces has essentially gone the way of the dodo. "Hasta la Victoria siempre"...ha...the only "victory" will be the race to the bottom to see which of the old-style socialist paradise society's winds up being the last to be consigned to the ash-bin of history. Offhand I don't see any Marxist-style "proletarian" movements brewing on the immediate horizon. But keep banging that drum Ben.... :thumbsup:


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#26 todd

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 12:04 PM

 

Everything, anything is open to interpretation.


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#27 rjag

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 09:30 PM

http://www.dailymail...es-galore.html 
 

 

£100 million bed-hopping hypocrite: He claimed he lived on £20 a month. But Fidel Castro had 20 luxury homes, a private island, an 88ft yacht - and mistresses galore

 



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Posted 28 November 2016 - 07:19 AM

Reading the Daily mail is the same as reading the National Enquirer

 

Seems funny that they post this crap after he is dead.

 

Also most world leader live far better lifestyles at the taxpayers expense than the majority of the population they oversee.

 

Ours is one...compare him or any past prime minister to the homeless of poor in this country or those who cant get a simple operation done without waiting years or dying first.



#29 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 07:34 AM

Reading the Daily mail is the same as reading the National Enquirer

 

It really isn't at all.


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#30 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 08:10 AM

 

At this time of Fidel Castro's passing, we extend a hand of friendship to the Cuban people. We know that this moment fills Cubans - in Cuba and in the United States - with powerful emotions, recalling the countless ways in which Fidel Castro altered the course of individual lives...

 

 

 

Indeed. He "altered the course of individual lives" by ending them. Of those he didn't end, 20 per cent of the population fled the country. Some made it to Miami, others had the course of their lives altered by winding up in a watery grave. Among the many "individual lives" he "altered" was Mercedes Fernandez's, who before taking up residence in Castro's prison had never before had to "defecate parasites six centimeters long". 

 

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#31 Mike K.

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 09:04 AM

In light of Castro's brutal regime I find Councillor Isitt's praise for the dictator as a little bit alarming.

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 09:13 AM

Reading the Daily mail is the same as reading the National Enquirer

 

 

It has its moments of enlightenment!

 

How about this then?

 

http://www.forbes.co...e/#321f25ba7302



#33 Rob Randall

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 09:35 AM

I don't know, Cuba is a complicated country with complicated leadership with a complicated relationship with the world's superpowers. I don't think you can put simple label on Castro like "evil dictator" or "freedom fighter". 

 

Could Castro have eased up on human rights violations without triggering a destabilizing revolt or coup? How much of Cuba's troubles were caused by unjustifiable US sanctions? Could Cuba have embraced Capitalism without reverting to the corruption and despair of the Batista regime? Could Castro have introduced democratic presidential elections without them devolving into violent fraud shows like Haiti and Liberia?

 

Who knows?


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#34 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 09:37 AM

Could Castro have eased up on human rights violations without triggering a destabilizing revolt or coup? How much of Cuba's troubles were caused by unjustifiable US sanctions? Could Cuba have embraced Capitalism without reverting to the corruption and despair of the Batista regime? Could Castro have introduced democratic presidential elections without them devolving into violent fraud shows like Haiti and Liberia?

 

 

Maybe not.  But using all that to justify killing and imprisoning political dissidents seems wrong no matter what, no?  And his steady hand has not exactly lead to a wildly prosperous nation.


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#35 Rob Randall

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 10:06 AM

Maybe not.  But using all that to justify killing and imprisoning political dissidents seems wrong no matter what, no?  

 

Normally you are correct. But lately we've seen so many countries reform or overthrow their dictatorships only to fall into unending deadly chaos. Experts claim this is merely the growing pains of democracy but how many more decades until democracy brings the relative peace that the strongman enforced through oppression of dissenters?

 

And his steady hand has not exactly lead to a wildly prosperous nation.

 

Again, relative to what? Cubans were better off than many of their Caribbean neighbours. The question remains, should Castro have risked that path toward democracy? With Castro's huge ego while dismantling the entrenched Castro cult of personality?  

 

I'd like to think Castro could have made way for a free press, democratic representation and an end to oppression while empowering and enriching the population. But the history of other countries doesn't make me optimistic. Ireland is one rare example of a country that lifted itself out of oppression, violence and poverty.


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#36 VicHockeyFan

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 10:14 AM

Singapore is another example of a non-democratic state that does an awful lot better than Cuba.


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#37 Mike K.

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 11:12 AM

You judge a country by the volumes of people who wish to escape said country, not by the ideology of its supporters or detractors.

 

1/5th of Cubans escaped to seek a better life elsewhere, risking life and limb. If it had been the pearl of the Caribbean as alleged, I don't think we'd have seen such a massive exodus. And of those who remained, how many wished they could have had the opportunity to escape? How many did have that opportunity but backed out?

 

Whatever. An oppressive dictator is dead. That's all that matters.


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Posted 28 November 2016 - 01:26 PM

Wow, this reads like a cheap romance novel.

 

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 07:56 PM

Stalin - cured obesity in the Russian peasant class through agrarian reform.


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#40 Mike K.

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Posted 28 November 2016 - 08:27 PM

He sure did. He also found a way to make everyone work a little harder and complain a little less.

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