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Danbrook One
Uses: rental, commercial
Address: 2762-2768 Claude Road
Municipality: Langford
Region: West Shore
Storeys: 11
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[Langford] Danbrook One | 11-storeys | Rentals, commercial | Built - completed in 2019


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#241 Mike K.

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 02:12 PM

Ah, I getcha. Thank you.

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#242 Casual Kev

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 02:41 PM

Any updates RE: occupancy and fate of the building? Couldn't find any articles written about Danbrook One recently.



#243 spanky123

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 02:54 PM

Any updates RE: occupancy and fate of the building? Couldn't find any articles written about Danbrook One recently.

 

One would have thought that if it was an easy fix then it would have been fixed.


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#244 snub

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 08:45 PM

I walk by it a couple of times a week and have seen absolutely nothing going on.



#245 tiger11

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 09:02 PM

There was a building permit taken out on the property for Additions and Alterations by DB services in January this year. Could mean anything though in terms of scope. 


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#246 Casual Kev

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 05:00 PM

Welp, doesn't seem like there's much hope then. Here's to praying for the success of Colwood Lodge, lest the Westshore becomes as allergic to height as everyone else... 



#247 spanky123

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:43 AM

Sigh. Looks like this isn't as simple a fix as everyone let on it was.

 

Defendants

Loco Investments Inc. and DB Services of Victoria Inc. and Sorenson Trilogy Engineering Ltd. and Brian McClure and Margaret McKay and City of Langford

Plaintiffs

Centurion Apartment Properties LP as represented by Centurion Apartment Properties GP and Centurion Apartment Properties (Danbrook) Inc.

Claim

Damages related to construction defects.



#248 Mike K.

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:51 AM

I’m not sure how we can read the severity from the above. Is there more information pertaining to the costs of rectifying the situation?

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 08:55 AM

I’m not sure how we can read the severity from the above. Is there more information pertaining to the costs of rectifying the situation?

 

This is pretty standard for a civil writ at this point. Costs are not defined in order to avoid limiting the claim and you sue everyone potentially involved. 



#250 Mike K.

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:00 AM

I don’t think we’re equipped to judge the severity, then. None of us know what it’ll take to rectify the issue but in the meantime the lawsuit is standard ops as Centurion is losing something like $150,000 in monthly rental revenues.

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#251 spanky123

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:22 AM

The messaging at the time was that the repairs were minor and that insurance would sort this out. I think the lawsuit indicates otherwise.

 

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#252 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 09:50 AM

Is it true the builders had no architects on staff; it was created by designers and engineers?


“I mean I just don’t understand the big Texas part, like maybe he’s from Texas? I want to know the back story.”


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Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:11 AM

Is it true the builders had no architects on staff; it was created by designers and engineers?

 

A registered architect is required to seal all of the drawings as per the BC Architects Act, but we all know how Langford feels about enforcing that Act

 

And here we see exactly why municipalities should be enforcing the Act: because then they get to shift the blame to the registered professional. Same goes with the engineering, it's all subject to the Letters of Assurance provided by the registered professional, so the muni is off the hook.


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#254 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:17 AM

But did an architect actually sign off? We have seen buildings in Victoria where a designer or non-registered (foreign) architect designs the building and then they get a real one to go over the plans and sign off on them.

 

But that's not saying that architect went through every inch of the plans and checked the math on the load-bearing column strength.

 

Because there's no architect listed on the lawsuit I assume none sealed the drawings and Langford ignored it like you say.


“I mean I just don’t understand the big Texas part, like maybe he’s from Texas? I want to know the back story.”


#255 Mike K.

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:31 AM

Named in the lawsuit are the City of Langford, an engineering firm, a design firm, an investment firm, and two individuals. I would imagine if an architectural firm had signed off, they would also be named.


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Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:48 AM

Named in the lawsuit are the City of Langford, an engineering firm, a design firm, an investment firm, and two individuals. I would imagine if an architectural firm had signed off, they would also be named.

 

The two individuals are the principals of the design and engineering firms. 

 

As I said at the time, the broader question is how common are the issues at stake and are there many buildings in Langford in the same boat?


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#257 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 10:50 AM

The BC Supreme Court said last year that constructing a residential building without an architect is "unreasonable". 

 

Stew Young said using architects would affect housing affordability which is ridiculous considering what I imagine is a modest premium in using an architect over a design/engineering firm. 


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#258 TallGuy

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 02:29 PM

But did an architect actually sign off? We have seen buildings in Victoria where a designer or non-registered (foreign) architect designs the building and then they get a real one to go over the plans and sign off on them.

 

But that's not saying that architect went through every inch of the plans and checked the math on the load-bearing column strength.

 

Because there's no architect listed on the lawsuit I assume none sealed the drawings and Langford ignored it like you say.

No architect should be "signing off" on structural drawings or calculations, but rather relying on that structural engineer's expertise. An architect is not responsible for structural design or inspection of structural elements during construction.


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#259 jasmineshinga

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 03:06 PM

No architect should be "signing off" on structural drawings or calculations, but rather relying on that structural engineer's expertise. An architect is not responsible for structural design or inspection of structural elements during construction.

100%. Architects are only on the hook for design and life-safety elements, like stairs being too narrow.

Engineers review their own work; Architects just coordinate the work and usually have CYA clauses all over their drawings (REFER TO STRUCTURAL - oh how often I write these words).


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#260 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 October 2020 - 03:36 PM

OK, I get that. I was just wondering if it's possible to draw a line between this project not having an architect and the fact that it's structurally unsound. Keeping in mind there's some overlap between the architect's office and the engineer's office. Less so, perhaps, than between the engineer and a "designer".


“I mean I just don’t understand the big Texas part, like maybe he’s from Texas? I want to know the back story.”


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