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Danbrook One
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Address: 2762-2768 Claude Road
Municipality: Langford
Region: Westshore
Storeys: 11
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[Langford] Danbrook One | 11-storeys | Rentals, commercial | Built - completed in 2019


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#81 Kapten Kapsell

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 07:43 AM

So this is the first concrete building this company has attempted. Might it be that the weight is causing the building to sink? Even a few centimetres is enough to cause cracking in walls.

 

The University Heights architect recently told me the switch from concrete to wood frame was based in part by the realization the extreme weight would require exorbitantly expensive a piles and caissons.

 

Maybe the contractors were getting overly optimistic geotechnical advice.

 

 

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We should blame the proximity to the Strait of Juan de Fuqua, as the proponent of the View/Vancouver apartment development recently did ...



#82 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 07:57 AM

^Doesn't seem to bother the old Dallas Road highrises.


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#83 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 08:04 AM

At University Heights they have soil condition issues to worry about, I think? Which is why the choice was made to pursue a woodframed design, then?

 

It was a major factor, along with the rental housing aspect. I didn't get the impression there were unusual soil conditions at University Heights (like there are at View/Vancouver), just the usual spotty bedrock. You really need to lock into bedrock at all points unless you use the floating raft technique.

 

I'm just saying in most cases where they're seriously talking evacuation of a new building it's because of things going on under the ground rather than the construction techniques used above.


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#84 Mike K.

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 08:09 AM

Until we have more details it's too early to jump to conclusions regarding Danbrook One. For all we know improper inspection procedures may have been followed, as this is technically Langford's first concrete highrise in many years (the last one was built at Bear Mountain circa 2008/2009).


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#85 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 09:18 AM

Jumping to conclusions knows no season.

 

For all we know improper inspection procedures may have been followed, as this is technically Langford's first concrete highrise in many years (the last one was built at Bear Mountain circa 2008/2009).

 

An inspector would merely uncover flaws, not cause them. It all goes back to the construction.


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#86 TallGuy

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 09:51 AM

Given that the word "structure" is used frequently in the news article, I would assume that it's a structural problem. 

Regarding University Heights, I was working on a coring project about a block from there and we were into about 40+' of clay.


Edited by TallGuy, 19 December 2019 - 09:51 AM.


#87 Mike K.

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 10:58 AM

Yeah, I thought it was a mess in that part of town. Very expensive.

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#88 Rob Randall

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 11:50 AM

On the other hand, this could just be the dubious work record of a single employee.

 

For example, it's similar to those hospital cases where an X-ray diagnostician was found to be sloppy. Hundreds of people get a phone call saying their cancer diagnosis may be inaccurate. Nobody is necessarily at risk but it needs checking out.

 

A reporter needs to get out there and interview tenants. Is there evidence of bad construction? Cracks? Wonky floors? Basement leaks?


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#89 spanky123

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 11:57 AM

I think that if this was all about nothing then Langford wouldn't be stepping in and offering to pay for alternate accommodations. 

 

I hope that for the sake of the 80 tenants this does not turn out to be a major concern necessitating remediation and removal from their homes.



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Posted 19 December 2019 - 01:36 PM

Vancouver Sun:

 

It might boil down to a disagreement between two engineers, said Young. If, for instance, changes were made during the building’s construction, those might have to be reviewed, he said. “There may be no issue here if the engineer who signed off provides all the drawings.” Conversely, “that’s our first concrete building and, if an engineer made a mistake, they have to fix it.”

 

 

Vic News:

 

The City said staff rely on a stamp of approval from the project engineer to affirm that their engineering designs follow all requirements under the Engineers and Geoscientist Act. City staff are not responsible for the review of an engineer but are responsible for the health and safety of residents in the building.

If it turns out the building needs to be fixed, Young said, the City is prepared to do so and to accommodate those affected.

 


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#91 spanky123

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Posted 19 December 2019 - 05:03 PM

What I don't understand is the Mayor's comment that the City isn't responsible as they rely on an Engineer's stamp of approval, yet they apparently are ready to cover all of the costs up to and including fixing the building and relocating all of the residents.


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Posted 19 December 2019 - 07:06 PM

Engineer of 11-storey apartment being investigated for building code violations.


https://www.goldstreamgazette.com/



#93 Mike K.

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Posted 20 December 2019 - 07:26 PM

Langford has pulled the occupancy permit.

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#94 LJ

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Posted 20 December 2019 - 07:29 PM

I'm guessing there won't be a Danbrook Two.


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#95 Mike K.

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Posted 20 December 2019 - 07:30 PM

The decision to revoke the building's occupancy permit on Friday came after a city council reviewed a report from WSP engineers, an independent company the city hired to inspect the building.

WSP's report found "life safety" deficiencies in the building's design and construction, according to a summary provided by the city.

Tenants should expect to spend "a minimum of seven days" in temporary accommodations while building owner Centurion Property Associates makes short-term repairs to make the building safe, the city said.

- https://vancouverisl...hrise-1.4739836

So it sounds like short term repairs will be sufficient here?

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#96 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 05:16 PM

Langford Mayor Stew Young said residents can’t be forced to leave. “All we can is say is that there are some structural issues that we have had verified,” he said. “Some of the issues were resolved in the last two days but there’s not enough information.”



#97 Rob Randall

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Posted 21 December 2019 - 05:24 PM

I thought a city was the ultimate authority on occupancy? That all it takes to evacuate a building is a notice on the door? I never hear about problems evicting residents, for instance, the Wellburns sewage problem.


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#98 Victoria Watcher

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Posted 22 December 2019 - 06:21 AM

Young said he hopes some people will be able to stay with family, as many hotels are booked up over the Christmas period. Displaced residents may have to move to hotels outside Langford.

 

The city has set a maximum budget of $400,000 to relocate residents and will try to recover the costs through insurance.

 

A fundraising page set up by Langford’s Economic Development Committee had raised more than $27,000 as of 6 p.m. Saturday.

 

Young said the money raised will be distributed to residents to cover unexpected costs.

The building owner, Centurion Property Associates, did not respond to interview requests.

 

 

https://www.timescol...fety-1.24040511


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Posted 22 December 2019 - 10:27 AM

Langford Mayor Stew Young said residents can’t be forced to leave. “All we can is say is that there are some structural issues that we have had verified,” he said. “Some of the issues were resolved in the last two days but there’s not enough information.”

 

How can you resolve some structural issues in two days? 

 

How come no details provided as to what the issues may be? Is it an actual concrete/steel issue or more like not enough fire suppression or similar.


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#100 On the Level

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Posted 22 December 2019 - 10:36 AM

How can you resolve some structural issues in two days? 

 

How come no details provided as to what the issues may be? Is it an actual concrete/steel issue or more like not enough fire suppression or similar.

 

According the the same Times Colonist article as posted above;

 

 

Young said the fix involves “shoring up some beams on the first and second floor,” and, hopefully, won’t require major work.



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