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[rjag]

 

The City is refusing to broadcast the City Family presentation this morning at the COTW meeting "out of respect for indigenous practices". So much for transparency.

 

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City Family - Florence Dick

 

 

 

Out of respect for Indigenous practices this segment of the meeting will not be webcast.

 

 

What indigenous practices cant be publicised? 

[DustMagnet]

What indigenous practices cant be publicised? 

 

They may not be concealing an indigenous practice, they might mean that opacity in and of itself is an indigenous practice.

[Rob Randall]

It is true that Indigenous oral tradition is unfairly downplayed. Narrow-minded Western historians that assume history only extends back to the invention of writing ignore the validity of sophisticated oral story-telling in local cultures.

 

Indigenous elders recognize the technical precision of written history but point out its failure to convey the full range of emotion, nuance and rhythm found in traditional story telling, especially when several elders gather with each person contributing their take on the story. 

 

However, I don't think this tradition was intended to sidestep transparency and accountability in official business.

 

Some in the Indigenous community see the act of reviewing the minutes of a meeting and asking questions to be an act of undermining authority.

[Rob Randall]

For thousands of years local Indigenous peoples have lived surrounded by potential enemies. A strong authoritative leadership was key to sustaining the nation. Continually second-guessing the chiefs leads to disorder. 

 

There is a parallel to Biblical Israel. The Ten Commandments are not about being a nice person, they're about keeping your vulnerable nation safe and strong.

[Nparker]

...I don't think this tradition was intended to sidestep transparency and accountability in official business...

But it conveniently absolves CoV council for not being as transparent in their official business as they promised to be.

[sdwright.vic]

Then don't do anything that you don't want me to see. If you are suddenly my unelected representative in reconciliation, then I have a right to know what is going on.

[RFS]

For thousands of years local Indigenous peoples have lived surrounded by potential enemies. A strong authoritative leadership was key to sustaining the nation. Continually second-guessing the chiefs leads to disorder.

There is a parallel to Biblical Israel. The Ten Commandments are not about being a nice person, they're about keeping your vulnerable nation safe and strong.

Yes and we Europeans used to be governed by all powerful kings and queens. Not sure why our city in 2019 should be run according to pre-historic Indian tribal practices

[Rob Randall]

But it conveniently absolves CoV council for not being as transparent in their official business as they promised to be.

 

Yes, it can be misused.

 

The lands surrounding the Salish Sea are now ruled by centralized governments kept in place by a system of checks and balances. Reconciling the two systems will entail conflict and misunderstanding.

[RFS]

Yes, it can be misused.

 

The lands surrounding the Salish Sea are now ruled by centralized governments kept in place by a system of checks and balances. Reconciling the two systems will entail conflict and misunderstanding.

 

Uh, no.  They can govern as they wish in their bands.  There will be no "reconciling" or changing of our system beyond superficial Lisa Helps style stunts used as cover for her nefarious goals

[Mike K.]

For thousands of years local Indigenous peoples have lived surrounded by potential enemies. A strong authoritative leadership was key to sustaining the nation. Continually second-guessing the chiefs leads to disorder. 

 

What else does a secretive system of decision-making lead to?

[Rob Randall]

What else does a secretive system of decision-making lead to?

 

You mean, in modern times? It's not very compatible with the checks and balances stuff.

[pennymurphy2000]

If the meetings are taking place at City Hall then it should be broadcast. The camera can start after the sacred traditions are completed. 

[pennymurphy2000]

https://www.victoria...tion Policy.pdf

 

Members are being paid to attend, they are not volunteers. If tax payer funds are being used then it has to be broadcast. Full transparency applies to everyone. The mayor is playing games again. Why did people vote her in again? 

[sdwright.vic]

Really, they are getting paid? No interview? No vote? No public call?

[Victoria Watcher]

natives almost always collect “honorariums” for attendance or talks. it’s very common.

here is a uvic policy:

https://www.uvic.ca/...quick guide.pdf

Edited by Victoria Watcher, 02 May 2019 - 05:14 PM.

[sdwright.vic]

This is not a talk though, if it was s talk there would be a audience, not just self flagellation.

This is hidden governance.

[spanky123]

Geoff Young spoke out against closing the council meeting to the public this morning. Unfortunately he was the only one.

 

Mayor Helps acknowledged his concern and commented on the difficulty of trying to follow two sets of laws. 

Edited by spanky123, 02 May 2019 - 06:15 PM.

[rjag]

Geoff Young spoke out against closing the council meeting to the public this morning. Unfortunately he was the only one.

 

Mayor Helps acknowledged his concern and commented on the difficulty of trying to follow two sets of laws. 

 

Thats utter Bvllshit. In Chambers there is only 1 set of Laws. They are making a mockery of our system

[sdwright.vic]

So I guess if it come down to having only one set of laws, I guess we know which ones helps will choose.

Hey Horgan, but this lady in her lane again.

[Mike K.]

I was not aware that First Nations in Canada are governed by a separate set of laws. What is Helps referring to when she says there are two sets of laws at play in the chamber?