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[spanky123]

Do you know what independent means?

 

Public servants serve the public. They do not serve the President/Governor/Prime Minister/Premier, etc.

 

I haven't heard Comey state that the loyalty request from Trump was to him personally and not (or at the expense of) the country.

 

What Comey stated this morning that was given very little replay was that prior to his first meeting with Trump he made the determination that he didn't trust the President so he decided to take notes on his conversations (even though he had not ever done so with Obama or Bush). If you dislike and distrust your employer then chances are the feeling is mutual. Trump had every reason then to challenge whether Comey was up for the job and fire him if he didn't it was the case.

[Mike K.]

Comey has admitted to orchestrating leaks (or at least one, so far). Oh oh. He also said he had to cancel a date with his wife to have dinner with Trump.

 

Jonny, what media outlet is reporting that Comey said Trump obstructed justice? Because it's pretty clear that as a result of the hearing, thus far, Lynch, Obama and Clinton should be investigated for obstruction.

[Mike K.]

Oh my gaaaaaaaawd...                  

 

Comey, like, has just said that, like, that a flurry of stories based on classified information, like, in regards to the whole Russian thing, are like so "dead wrong."

 

The Dems and CNN are having a really, really bad Thursday.

[spanky123]

^ More importantly Comey has stated that most of what appear in the NY Times and Washington Post as 'leaks' are dead wrong. He said that they are leaked by people who don't know what is going on but that the people who do know can't refute the claims due to national security.

[Mike K.]

Yup. He also just said Loretta Lynch had attempted to influence the email investigation. Holy mother of pearls, this is a really bad day for the Democrats...

[SimonH]

https://twitter.com/...831862749753344

[jonny]

Comey has admitted to orchestrating leaks (or at least one, so far). Oh oh. He also said he had to cancel a date with his wife to have dinner with Trump.

 

Jonny, what media outlet is reporting that Comey said Trump obstructed justice? Because it's pretty clear that as a result of the hearing, thus far, Lynch, Obama and Clinton should be investigated for obstruction.

 

Trump allegedly intervened in a criminal investigation, as reported by James Comey himself.

 

Nobody is being prosecuted for obstruction of justice (yet). Whether or not obstruction of justice occurred, well, the special council's prosecutors will determine that in the coming weeks. As far as the media goes, here's one pertinent column for you. There are others out there.  http://news.national...of-justice-case

[jonny]

I haven't heard Comey state that the loyalty request from Trump was to him personally and not (or at the expense of) the country.

 

*rolls eyes*

 

Trump allegedly said "I need loyalty. I expect loyalty." 

 

 

Comey’s statement lays out a case against the president that consists of a tidy pattern, beginning with the demand for loyalty, the threat to terminate Comey’s job, the repeated requests to turn off the investigation into Flynn and the final infliction of career punishment for failing to succumb to the president’s requests, all followed by the president’s own concession about his motive. Any experienced prosecutor would see these facts as establishing a prima facie case of obstruction of justice.

 

http://news.national...of-justice-case

[LeoVictoria]

Let's see...    Trump tried to get Comey to drop the investigation.  Tried to get him to pledge loyalty to Trump which is unheard of.  Confirmed that the russians 100% interfered with the election.   

 

 

Only the VV peanut gallery could spin this into somehow bad for the democrats...

[spanky123]

Let's see...    Trump tried to get Comey to drop the investigation.  Tried to get him to pledge loyalty to Trump which is unheard of.  Confirmed that the russians 100% interfered with the election.   

 

 

Only the VV peanut gallery could spin this into somehow bad for the democrats...

 

Think you missed the mark. He said that there was no evidence that the Russian changed even 1 vote in the election. Now did they try to influence the election with lobbying or leaks or other measures perhaps, but tell me that the US doesn't do that with every election that they feel they have an interest in.

[Mike K.]

Comey has admitted to leaking information to the media and has trashed the media's so-called sources on the Russian influence investigation, and we're the peanut gallery? Dude.

 

Right about now Loretta Lynch is wishing she never had that impromptu meeting with Bill Clinton. And the Democrats are wishing Comey had been fired by Obama.

 

Right about now nothing the mainstream media says in relation to Trump and the election can be taken seriously. For Comey to announce their Russian hacking/influence pieces are "dead wrong" is a terrible blow to the establishment and that should shake everyone's confidence in the mainstream media.

[Mike K.]

Think you missed the mark. He said that there was no evidence that the Russian changed even 1 vote in the election. Now did they try to influence the election with lobbying or leaks or other measures perhaps, but tell me that the US doesn't do that with every election that they feel they have an interest in.

 

Of course they do. 

 

China was also involved in the US election, no doubt. But, like Comey said, there is no evidence that their efforts impacted voters. The entire world meddles in elections, for God's sake, especially the US.

[Mattjvd]

Of course they do.

China was also involved in the US election, no doubt. But, like Comey said, there is no evidence that their efforts impacted voters. The entire world meddles in elections, for God's sake, especially the US.

The difference being: Does what occured in the 2016 election amount to the espionage act of subversion? Where is the line for an agent of influence?

[Bingo]

The cheese might become a bit more binding after the closed door testimony.

[Mike K.]

The difference being: Does what occured in the 2016 election amount to the espionage act of subversion? Where is the line for an agent of influence?

 

If the Russians were involved in espionage and act(s) of subversion, they may want to refocus on making vodka and Russian doll thingies. Since their attempt to subvert the US election was a (embarrassingly) dismal failure.

[Mattjvd]

If the Russians were involved in espionage and act(s) of subversion, they may want to refocus on making vodka and Russian doll thingies. Since their attempt to subvert the US election was a (embarrassingly) dismal failure.

Where they though?
If the goal was a Trump victory by using subversion methods to discredit the institutions, ruling party, and opposing candidate, that sounds like an outstanding success.
The question is, how significant were their actions? Surely RT doing some "investigative journalism" and some sensationalism, even if published in the U.S., is freedom of press.
It's an interesting time for the intelligence community, there are so many new, and extremely rapid, mass communication methods available. The Espionage act hasn't been changed since the invention of the internet, so it's very hard to define what is and is not fair play.

[Mike K.]

According to Comey in his sworn testimony, the "Russian effect" didn't turn a single vote, and the mainstream media's incessant pursuit of damning headlines were a disservice to the investigation and the American people.

Clinton lost the election because she was a corrupt politician. She didn't lose because Russia allegedly backed Trump (even though she played a key role in handing over American supplies of uranium to the Russians for which her foundation had been handsomely rewarded by Russians).

[spanky123]

Can anyone tell me why Russia is our enemy in the first place?

 

Can't be human rights as many of our pals (ie Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc) have far worse records

Can't be the annexation of Crimea as we and the Americans have invaded far more countries in recent years

Can't be the harbouring of Snowden as Ecudor has provided safe harbour to Assange for far longer

Can't be because they are Muslim as they are not

Can't be because they fund terrorism as they don't 

Can't be the Chinese as we buy too much crap from them and they haven't done anything to anyone for decades anyways

 

Is it because our military industrial complex requires that we have an enemy and they are just the most threatening looking one?

Edited by spanky123, 08 June 2017 - 10:10 AM.

[Mattjvd]

I'm honestly quite surprised he said "didn't turn a single vote". It seems hard to tell what is in the head of every voter, but he's the expert, I'll take his sworn statement as fact.
I would be inclined to interpret that as "didn't turn a single vote through illegal means". But obviously I'll be careful with that, it's just one man's interpretation.

[Mattjvd]

Can anyone tell me why Russia is our enemy in the first place?

Can't be human rights as many of our pals (ie Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc) have far worse records
Can't be the annexation of Crimea as we and the Americans have invaded far more countries in recent years
Can't be the harbouring of Snowden as Ecudor has provided safe harbour to Assange for far longer
Can't be because they are Muslim as they are not
Can't be because they fund terrorism as they don't
Can't be the Chinese as we buy too much crap from them and they haven't done anything to anyone for decades anyways

Is it because our military industrial complex requires that we have an enemy and they are just the most threatening looking one?

Left-over Cold War antagonism. I'd expect (maybe I should say hope) when a new generation of leaders who grew up after the Cold War ended command both nations, relations will improve.