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#41 lanforod

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:27 AM

Can you provide a link to where you got that information ... a link other than Trumps tweet saying that very thing?

 

(And please, no Info-Wars of Fox News links).

 

Don't know about exactly when the money laundering and Ukraine lobbying happened, but its unrelated to the campaign:

https://www.nytimes....t-indicted.html

 

 

The indictment of Mr. Manafort and Mr. Gates makes no mention of Mr. Trump or election meddling. Instead, it describes in granular detail Mr. Manafort’s lobbying work in Ukraine and what prosecutors said was a scheme to hide that money from tax collectors and the public. 


#42 lanforod

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:28 AM

By the way... Mike, why are we letting another Trump thread get started? You guys keep shutting them down for a reason...


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#43 Mike K.

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:30 AM

I'll give it one week and then that axe will inevitably drop  :cop:  :badpc:


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#44 Bingo

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 11:22 AM

By the way... Mike, why are we letting another Trump thread get started? You guys keep shutting them down for a reason...

 

This is the Robert Mueller Investigates thread and so far we are talking about other folks that are being investigated.

I see no reason to shut it down unless VV is also under investigation, besides all the defunct thread content is probably already on a government server somewhere.  :)


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#45 RFS

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:06 PM

Can you provide a link to where you got that information ... a link other than Trumps tweet saying that very thing?

(And please, no Info-Wars of Fox News links).


Read the actual indictment. It’s on the first page, the actions he’s accused of are from 2006-2015. Laundering may have continued to 2016 but that’s secondary and still not campaign related.
Btw the only thing more cringey than fox news is Fox News hate. If you think Fox News is uniquely unreliable among major networks you aren’t really thinking that carefully about it

#46 RFS

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:24 PM

Well, he gets impeached regardless if the Republicans lose the House or Senate in the mid-terms ... even his own people are telling Trump this.
Loss at the mid-terms is a guarantee of impeachment.

Even if Repubs don't lose the house or senate at the mid-terms, at some point the Republican party as a whole may have to make a decision to vote for impeachment in order to save the "Grand Old Party" from oblivion.

Or, more likely, the Grand Jury will find enough evidence that impeachment will be a given no matter what party you're from.
This last scenario is the most likely to occur, although a mid-term loss is also somewhat of a guarantee.

Time will tell which it is, but with these three indictments (and there will be many more), Trumps pending impeachment is looming as a fact of life - rather than something that might happen.


Just a few things to keep in mind to ground yourself firmly back in reality because you seem to be getting too excited:

1) Manafort was indicted on 12 counts, but none were for collusion. No collusion
2) This investigation has been endlessly hyped by the dems and media that they are finding strong evidence of trump-Russia collusion, yet all they’ve found is tax evasion. Again, no collusion
3) Manafort is a former member of the Podesta Group, the firm that has major democrat/Clinton connections and is now under investigation by the mueller probe. Tony Podesta stepped down from the firm today https://www.cnbc.com...estigation.html
Basically there is just as much chance of this Manafort indictment leading to democrat indictments as to trump/republican. If not more.
4) As was revealed in wiki leaks, pretty much everything mueller’s investigation has found was already known by Obama’s DOJ back in 2009-2013 and they simply ignored, sat on it. If it were so damaging to trump don’t you think they would have used it? The fact that it has been buried until now is in fact more evidence that it is bad news for democrats.

All in all predictions about trumps impeachment should be taken about as seriously as Hilary Clinton’s 97% chance of winning the election
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#47 Gary H

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:40 PM

Actually, the indictment's dates for Count One, the Conspiracy Against The United States is from 2006 to 2017, inclusive.  Seems to me the criminal activity was ongoing, and more importantly, occurring while the suspects were working on Trump's campaign.

 

http://msnbcmedia.ms...nd_redacted.pdf

 

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#48 RFS

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:51 PM

Actually, the indictment's dates for Count One, the Conspiracy Against The United States is from 2006 to 2017, inclusive. Seems to me the criminal activity was ongoing, and more importantly, occurring while the suspects were working on Trump's campaign.

http://msnbcmedia.ms...nd_redacted.pdf

Allegations - Count One.jpg


Fair enough, but it’s still not collusion and still not campaign related. It’s basically a catch-all for everything else he’s charged with. My analysis still stands

#49 satellite

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:06 PM

My analysis still stands

 

I'm not sure it does.  This is sounding pretty collusion-ey ..(from a guy who has since plead guilty and is presumably helping the investigation now):

 

"On or about April 26, 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the Professor for breakfast at a London hotel. During this meeting, the Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that he had just returned from a trip to Moscow where he had met with high-level Russian government officials. The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that on that trip he (the Professor) learned that the Russians had obtained "dirt" on then-candidate Clinton. The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS, as defendant PAPADOPOULOS later described to the FBI, that "They [the Russians] have dirt on her"; "the Russians had emails of Clinton"; "they have thousands of emails."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...ilty/index.html



#50 lanforod

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 01:21 PM

Theres several different people here.

 

Papadopoulos may lead to issues for Trump, yes, though it appears he wasn't nearly as close to the campaign as Manafort was. 

 

I'm not so sure about Manafort though.



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 02:03 PM

Just a few things to keep in mind to ground yourself firmly back in reality because you seem to be getting too excited:

 

I'll be sure to link you back to this post when Trumps impeachment proceedings begin.

 

See you then!



#52 todd

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 04:53 PM

This is the Robert Mueller Investigates thread and so far we are talking about other folks that are being investigated.

I see no reason to shut it down unless VV is also under investigation, besides all the defunct thread content is probably already on a government server somewhere.  :)

You canadians just trying advanced your fake news and take over the world like always  :teacher: .



#53 Rob Randall

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 01:25 PM

Senate hopeful and part-time shopping mall creeper Roy Moore struggles to remain competitive under fire in a close election coming next month and Republicans are desperate to retain the seat.

 

Some are floating AG Jeff Sessions as a replacement write-in candidate, meaning Jeff would be running again for the old seat he gave up earlier this year to be in the Trump administration.

 

Sounds perfect, but with Sessions out as AG that would mean appointing a new head of the justice department, someone that isn't recused from the Mueller investigation. Someone who could potentially stifle or in some way limit the investigation. That would be a win-win for the GOP.


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#54 johnk

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 05:18 PM

Mueller's mandate is very broad not just collusion. The circle is tightening. Flynn and his idiot offspring likely are next to be indicted and that puts the probe inside the WH.
These things work from the outside in. The low-hanging fruits will yield bigger plums. Eventually it will get to Trumpf's brain-dead son and son-in-law. Will the orange utang throw them under the bus? Don't bet against it.
Meanwhile, Manafort goes to trial next May just in time for the mid-term election campaigns to get going in earnest.

#55 LeoVictoria

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 12:02 PM

I'll be sure to link you back to this post when Trumps impeachment proceedings begin.

 

See you then!

 

Getting very close!   The news today is the biggest by far.  It's like christmas came early.

 

Seth Abramson explains: 

First, it's important to understand that Mueller has entered into a plea deal with Flynn in which Flynn pleads guilty to far less than the available evidence suggests he could be charged with. This indicates that he has cut a deal with Mueller to cooperate in the Russia probe.

We've already seen Mueller do this once before in the probe, with George Papadopoulos—who was charged with the same crime as Flynn, Making False Statements, to secure his cooperation with the Russia probe. The Papadopoulos plea affidavit emphasized facts were being left out.

Flynn is widely regarded as dead-to-rights on more charges than Making False Statements—notably, FARA violations (failing to register as a foreign agent of Turkey under the Foreign Agent Registration Act). There's recently been evidence he was part of a kidnapping plot, too.

Getting charged with just one count of Making False Statements is a great deal for Mike Flynn—it doesn't necessarily mean he'll escape incarceration, but a) it makes that a possibility (depending on what the parties and judge say and do), and b) any time served may be minimal.

What this suggests is Flynn brings substantial inculpatory info (info tending to incriminate others) to the table. Unlike Papadopoulos, Flynn was going to be—because of his position in the administration—a primary target of the probe. So he had to offer a lot to get this deal.

Deals like this are offered only when a witness can incriminate someone "higher up the food-chain" than them. In the case of the nation's former National Security Advisor, the only people above him in the executive-branch hierarchy are the President and the Vice President.

There may be other targets in the Russia probe—such as Attorney General Sessions—at Flynn's same level in the hierarchy, but unless he could incriminate two or more of them, a deal like this would not be offered to him. And there aren't two or more at his level in this case.

What this indicates—beyond any serious doubt—is the following: Special Counsel Bob Mueller, the former Director of the FBI, believes Mike Flynn's testimony will incriminate the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, or both of these two men.

For this reason, what's about to happen is far and away the biggest development thus far in the Trump-Russia probe, and likely the biggest development in U.S. politics since President Nixon resigned from office during the Watergate scandal.

This is historic.


Edited by LeoVictoria, 01 December 2017 - 12:03 PM.

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#56 LeoVictoria

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 12:04 PM

Another gem from reddit: "MAGA: Many Are Getting Arrested."



#57 Mike K.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 12:16 PM

Isn't the extent of Flynn's outreach to the Russians related to the then incoming (US) administration's ISIS-related military intervention prerogatives?

 

Flynn also spoke to the Russians under direction of Trump after the election, not before the election, which makes the collusion narrative a little difficult to chew.

 

I'm not sure if this is the "it" moment everyone's hoping for.


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#58 Rob Randall

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 12:50 PM

Isn't the extent of Flynn's outreach to the Russians related to the then incoming (US) administration's ISIS-related military intervention prerogatives?

 

Flynn also spoke to the Russians under direction of Trump after the election, not before the election, which makes the collusion narrative a little difficult to chew.

 

I'm not sure if this is the "it" moment everyone's hoping for.

 

No, one of the things they are looking at are possible deals involving lifting Russian sanctions in exchange for favours. White House lawyers are trying to paint this as merely attempts at improving US/Russian relations but it's increasingly becoming clear that there were efforts made to made things easy on Moscow, likely in exchange for election help.


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Posted 01 December 2017 - 12:55 PM

I'll be sure to link you back to this post when Trumps impeachment proceedings begin.

 

See you then!

Haven't forgotten! :)

 

Headline from 1:00pm today, 12/01/2017

 

"Kushner directed Flynn to contact Russian ambassador"


Edited by Cassidy, 01 December 2017 - 12:58 PM.


#60 Mike K.

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Posted 01 December 2017 - 01:28 PM

No, one of the things they are looking at are possible deals involving lifting Russian sanctions in exchange for favours. White House lawyers are trying to paint this as merely attempts at improving US/Russian relations but it's increasingly becoming clear that there were efforts made to made things easy on Moscow, likely in exchange for election help.

 

Possible deals lifting Russian sanctions in exchange for election help sounds like a scenario straight out of Alex Jones' toolbox, don't you think?

 

I mean Mueller looking for something doesn't mean that that's what he'll find. Meanwhile Clinton's time as SoS and the Uranium One back-room wheeling and dealing has been all but shoved aside while conspiracies take centre stage.


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